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I use a belikn wireless usb adapter - http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/81425....html?_$ja=tsid:11518|cat:8142523|prd:8142523 - pretty much that I got, got it a few years ago and the price of that on is somewhat inflated so dont get too paranoid. I dont generally have that many problems with my wifi, always tend to have a solid connection, low-ish ping (20-35 ms usually), have had over 4 MB download speeds, I'm sure wired connections are better, but I dont like the idea of meters of cable, and had very few issues with my wifi ( I say very few - I had a problem when I went to windows 7, the adapter I bought before win7 and the driver isnt on the disc, have to manually download it from the website, 2nd problem is only recent, bt delivered a new bt hub 3.0, the cheapo wifi adapter in my lapto gets full 38ish meg d/w, whereas my 60 quid adapter - while getting the same speed on the old hub only gets 10-20 meg now...yet to sort this out, I'd say its an issue with the new hub tho)

so yeh - wifi adapter is a solid option these days :)
 
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Well my consoles can connect to the Internet pretty well with wifi when they're not in the same room as the router, I can play BF3 on my PS3 with no problems upstairs, so I reckon it should be the same with a PC.

There are always range extenders I can buy too if I need to create a larger effective range for the router signal. Where there's a will, there's a way to make things work.
 

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It is a question of walls.

Some houses got walls easy enough to penetrate, others got those old-fashioned walls that you can't even get signal with your cellphone through!
 
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Ah that's ok then, my house has crappy plaster walls and budget construction wood floors so that would explain how the wifi range is strangely vast in my house. Seems having a poorly built house has it's advantages.
 

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It is a question of walls.

Some houses got walls easy enough to penetrate, others got those old-fashioned walls that you can't even get signal with your cellphone through!

This is sort of my situation. The Wi-Fi reaches the entire house but has several cellphone dead spots. :(
 

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It is a question of walls.

Some houses got walls easy enough to penetrate, others got those old-fashioned walls that you can't even get signal with your cellphone through!

Yeah I think that might be causing me some issues with my connection dropping in and out upstairs lately on my 360 and Amys laptop.
 

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Alright, so I've came into some money recently, and I've decided that I might as well use the money while I have it to get a gaming PC/Laptop. I've wanted to get into PC gaming since high school but never had the chance cost-wise but now that money's not an issue I've hit another snag.

This is like music to my ears. My sensible side wants me to encourage you to invest the cash, but blowing it all on a fancy gaming rig is oh so much more appealing, isn't it?

Could anyone give me a basic rundown of what makes a good gaming PC? Also are there any you would recommend personally?

In a nutshell: the graphics card. In my opinion, it's incredibly difficult to purchase a modern CPU, motherboard, set of RAM, etc. nowadays that isn't already light-years ahead of what is required by the latest 'bleeding-edge' PC games. Graphics cards, on the other hand, are pretty much the only thing that are challenged when it comes to the latest games, when played on the highest possible resolutions and super-demanding configurations (triple monitor set-ups with 3D enabled, that sort of thing).

Is it easy to tinker with a PC once you get used to it? I heard you have to upgrade them once in a while to keep up with the latest games.

Allow me to bore you with my lengthy, only-marginally-relevant introduction to PC hardware.

Ahem.

I'm a chap whom for years and years put off the notion of building my own PC because, well, it all sounded so insanely and utterly difficult to wrap my head around. 'What the hell is a CPU socket?', 'Why won't that CPU work with that socket?' 'Where is that smoke coming from?'. The confusion is further compounded when you ask for help online and the 'experts' come at you with all sorts of gobbly gook that makes perfect sense when you've been fiddling with the varying PC components for years, but makes next to no sense to the curious newbie. Years and years ago, I almost decided against putting together my first gaming PC, primarily because with every -- albeit friendly and helpful -- answer I received, I was left with two additional questions which I would need answering. I found everything to be mind-bending at first.

In truth, I think when it comes to first getting a grip of building your first PC, you could do with having a tech-savy friend nearby to help supervise everything, be it shopping for components, to actually fitting your parts inside the case. Wait, just which case should you buy... so many questions. BLARGHGHAGH.

What a discouraging and aggravating time it is, attempting to understand what is required to get everything working in sync, when it all seems so simple and straightforward to everybody else.

I'll say this, though: Persevere, and you'll think you're the dog's danglers once everything comes together. You'll think you're a master of all things electrical. You'll think you know more about computers than the lads down at the local PC repair shop.

It's a great buzz to finally see your creation spring to life and be presented with that -- now-boring after a seeing it zillion times -- Windows boot-up screen. You'll soon be comfortable enough to re-read all of that mumbo jumbo that once had you scratching your head, and think to yourself, 'Pssh, yeah!'

Anyway, to answer your question: I believe, once you've become slightly more adept at installing parts, it can be incredibly easy to 'tinker' with your PC. If you should ever fancy trying something a bit more challenging and potentially wildly dangerous, you could always try installing some watercooling.

Dammit. Getting to grips with watercooling was such a headache.

I might be going off on a tangent here, but it needs to be said: certain areas of PC building, such as watercooling, is not made easy for novices. Instructions? LOL. Good luck, son. I kid you not - my first watercooling 'kit', which supposedly included everything I would need, did not include any instructions of any sort; just a handful of terrifying-looking parts and about a bazillion screws.

So, yeah, basic 'tinkering': relatively easy-peasy. Advanced 'tinkering': much less easy-peasy, and you'll likely be wanting to pick your chum's brain again of an evening and have him/her walk you through the procedure(s) of whatever it is you have your heart set on.

I was also thinking of trying to get a decent gaming laptop instead of a PC, reason being that my Internet router is downstairs, which means I can move it downstairs easily when I need a good connection. Only problem is I heard a lot of laptops can't be upgraded as easily as PC's which could come back and bite me a few years down the line when the newest games won't run well on what might become pretty outdated in a few years time. I was wondering whether a gaming laptop was worth it? If so, any recommendations?

I'll never purchase another laptop ever again, gaming or otherwise. The mobility is nice, I'll give you that much, but the infinitely more costly repairs and damning faults incurred through no fault of your own is enough to have made me steer well clear in future. For some, whom are required to work on the move -- whose offices consist of trains, coffee shops, parks, and whatever -- then they're essential. They're just not for me.

'Gaming laptops' require a tremendous amount of cooling, also, if you care to keep your investment chugging along for a considerable amount of time, and not setting your lap on fire because your jeans are suffocating the ventilation grills. Battery life is also an issue to bear in mind.

Relating to the above question I was looking at Alienware laptops like the M17x and the M18 but I've heard mixed opinions, A lot of people say Alienware laptops/desktops run game really well and that they are happy with them, but then I see just as much of an equal amount of people saying that they are overpriced garbage, does anyone here own an Alienware Laptop/Desktop or have an opinion? I also heard the CPU's can't be upgraded, is this true? Is it much of a problem given how powerful the Alienware laptops are? (or so I've heard.) I'm confused as hell and would really appreciate the advice, If you have the money are they worth it? Any possible alternatives?

Alienware -- or Dellware, as I've come to know them -- apparently make brilliant, reliable gaming rigs. I'd fantasized about getting an Alienware rig in my teens, prior to learning how to build a computer myself. However, with the Alienware label comes a premium price tag, one which almost translates into practically doubling what you might pay if you were to purchase the individual components and fit them yourself. Mind you, yeah, you might also get a year's worth of support (or longer, if you decide to cough up extra), but you'll be stuck right up Poo Creek after your allotted period of support time has expired.

Speaking of support - Amazon UK are brilliant. If a component breaks down within 12 months of purchase, they'll issue you a new one and collect the old one for free. I'd sooner write a 3-sentence email to Amazon Support, requesting a replacement component, then be tasked with waiting on the phone for however long, having my phone bill shoot through the roof while I'm waiting to be put through to an engineer who may or may not tell me that the computer fault is my own and I'll have to pony up the extra to have that particular issue covered in my warranty next time.

Also I've heard you can get multiple graphics cards, what's that all about? Do more graphics cards mean better performance or am I making a serious misjudgement here?
Theoretically yes. Although, multiple graphics card configurations do not always necessarily translate into double or triple performance. CrossFireX or SLi configurations (AMD's and Nvidia's fancy way of saying two cards sandwiched together, working in tandem, respectively) can yield some impressive performance figures, but, really, it is almost entirely down to the gaming/software developers to better optimize for those sort of lesser-common set-ups. To provide an example: when I was running a fairly healthy CrossFireX set-up a few years back, there were a few games whereby the framerate would very nearly double, but only offer as much as an estimated 10% increase in certain others.

Dual graphics card configurations are great, when you have the headroom to keep those puppies cooled and a power supply chunky enough to sling out the required dosage of power, but ultimately unnecessary for the casual gamer.

Got another question to ask, does anyone here use wifi on their PC? If so how reliable is it?

Know what used to a problem for me? Walls. Well, at least they were a bit of a nuisance until my wife went and bought me a silly-powerful drill and I treated myself to a Bosch multi detector. I don't much care for wireless webernet connections, and I'll be damned if I'm going to have a cable run right the way through my house, tripping me up every time I need to race to the throne for some Steve time. I now have two cables channelled through my walls (one for internet access, the other so that I can play games on my TV in the living room).

Don't let walls be an inconvenience and dictate where you can or can't put stuff in your own house.

Actually, on the subject of walls and drills and whatnot, a man is never truly a man until he owns a drill and has secured something larger than himself to a wall. Over the course of about 4 weeks, I've fixed approximately 75 things to the various walls of my house, ranging from a 50" plasma TV, to a home-made shelf. It is one fine shelf, though. Actually, it's 3 shelves. Black ones.

I trust that my nonsensical ramblings will have been of some use. Good luck with whatever it was that we were first discussing! Cheers!
 

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Water cooling.

Put PC in one of those plastic grocery bags (make sure there are no holes or tears in it!) and dunk it in a bucket of ice.*

*Not to be taken seriously.
 

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Water cooling.

Put PC in one of those plastic grocery bags (make sure there are no holes or tears in it!) and dunk it in a bucket of ice.*

*Not to be taken seriously.

Or just use Mineral Oil!
 
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Thanks for the reply Steve, the lengthly response was certainly worth the read (and worth a few laughs, made me chuckle quite a few times :))

In terms if DIY, I've never owned a drill however I have used one (rather badly at first admittedly.) My dads a massive DIY enthusiast, so I got plenty of practise at other stuff: Carrying roof tiles up a ladder when I was about 15 (God they're heavier than they look!) Chopping wood with an axe, building a shed, even got behind a chainsaw once which is always fun! albeit scary and deafening if you don't have ear muffs, made a few shelves/cabinets in my time too. Can't say I've had to fix anything to a wall yet though lol.

Seriously though, thanks for the advice on PC's I'm glad you've all been this helpful.
 

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I'm more of a do it yourself demolisher.

I've torn down walls with a sledgehammer, demolished sheds and what have you.
 
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Update: I've been on PC Specalist to build a custom PC and this what I've managed to Come up with:

Case: Coolmaster Storm enforcer
Processor Intel i7-2700k (3.50GHz, 8mb cache)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PCI-E ready, wifi, SLI, CROSSFIREX
Memory: 16 GB Samsung Dual DDR3 1333MHz (2x8GB)
Hard Drive: 2TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD2002 FAEX, SATA 6GBs, 64 MB Cache (7200 rpm)
SDD Cache Drive: 20GB Intel SSD (< Is a cache drive really nessecary for a gaming desktop? I heard a Solid state drive would make my programs run faster but is it worth it? I could save a bit of money if I left it out, but I don't want a slow computer.)
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 670 2GB (< is this adequate? the price is more reasonable than the 680 but is this one any good?)
Power supply: Corsair 650w Enthusiast
Processor Cooling: Super quiet 22 dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE INTEL CPU COOLER (< There was also the Spire-Gemini REV.3-THERMAX Twin fan cooler, it wasn't much more expensive than the Heatpipe one but I'm not sure which one would be better, I assume it'd be the Gemini because of the twin fans which one should I pick?)
Operating System: Windows 7 Premium 64 bit

So what do you think? Have I made an adequate gaming desktop or have I made a ticking time bomb? I haven't ordered it yet so feel free to criticise or make recommendations, as I've said before I'll take all the advice I can get. Any potential disasters present in my build?
 

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This is like music to my ears. My sensible side wants me to encourage you to invest the cash, but blowing it all on a fancy gaming rig is oh so much more appealing, isn't it?



In a nutshell: the graphics card. In my opinion, it's incredibly difficult to purchase a modern CPU, motherboard, set of RAM, etc. nowadays that isn't already light-years ahead of what is required by the latest 'bleeding-edge' PC games. Graphics cards, on the other hand, are pretty much the only thing that are challenged when it comes to the latest games, when played on the highest possible resolutions and super-demanding configurations (triple monitor set-ups with 3D enabled, that sort of thing).



Allow me to bore you with my lengthy, only-marginally-relevant introduction to PC hardware.

Ahem.

I'm a chap whom for years and years put off the notion of building my own PC because, well, it all sounded so insanely and utterly difficult to wrap my head around. 'What the hell is a CPU socket?', 'Why won't that CPU work with that socket?' 'Where is that smoke coming from?'. The confusion is further compounded when you ask for help online and the 'experts' come at you with all sorts of gobbly gook that makes perfect sense when you've been fiddling with the varying PC components for years, but makes next to no sense to the curious newbie. Years and years ago, I almost decided against putting together my first gaming PC, primarily because with every -- albeit friendly and helpful -- answer I received, I was left with two additional questions which I would need answering. I found everything to be mind-bending at first.

In truth, I think when it comes to first getting a grip of building your first PC, you could do with having a tech-savy friend nearby to help supervise everything, be it shopping for components, to actually fitting your parts inside the case. Wait, just which case should you buy - so many questions. BLARGHGHAGH.

What a discouraging and aggravating time it is, attempting to understand what is required, when it all seems so simple and straightforward to everybody else.

I'll say this, though: Persevere, and you'll think you're the dog's danglers once everything comes together. You'll think you're a master of all things electrical. You'll think you'll know more about computers than the lads down at the local PC repair shop.

It's a great buzz to finally see your creation spring to life and be presented with that -- now-boring after a seeing it zillion times -- Windows boot-up screen. You'll soon be comfortable enough to re-read all of that mumbo jumbo that once had you scratching your head, and think to yourself, 'Pssh, yeah!'

Anyway, to answer your question: I believe, once you've become slightly more adept at installing parts, it can be incredibly easy to 'tinker' with your PC. If you should ever fancy trying something a bit more challenging and potentially wildly dangerous, you could always try installing some watercooling.

Dammit. Getting to grips with watercooling was such a headache.

I might be going off on a tangent here, but it needs to be said: certain areas of PC building, such as watercooling, is not made easy for novices. Instructions? LOL. Good luck, son. I kid you not - my first watercooling 'kit', which supposedly included everything I would need, did not include any instructions of any sort; just a handful of terrifying-looking parts and about a bazillion screws.

So, yeah, basic 'tinkering': relatively easy-peasy. Advanced 'tinkering': much less easy-peasy, and you'll likely be wanting to pick your chum's brain again of an evening and have him/her walk you through the procedure(s) of whatever it is you have your heart set on.



I'll never purchase another laptop ever again, gaming or otherwise. The mobility is nice, I'll give you that much, but the infinitely more costly repairs and damning faults incurred through no fault of your own is enough to have made me steer well clear in future. For some, whom are required to work on the move -- whose offices consist of trains, coffee shops, parks, and whatever -- then they're essential. They're just not for me.

'Gaming laptops' require a tremendous amount of cooling, also, if you care to keep your investment chugging along for a considerable amount of time, and not setting your lap on fire because your jeans are suffocating the ventilation grills. Battery life is also an issue to bear in mind.



Alienware -- or Dellware, as I've come to know them -- apparently make brilliant, reliable gaming rigs. I'd fantasized about getting an Alienware rig in my teens, prior to learning how to build a computer myself. However, with the Alienware label comes a premium price tag, one which almost translates into practically doubling what you might pay if you were to purchase the individual components and fit them yourself. Mind you, yeah, you might also get a year's worth of support (or longer, if you decide to cough up extra), but you'll be stuck right up Poo Creek after your allotted period of support time has expired.

Speaking of support - Amazon UK are brilliant. If a component breaks down within 12 months of purchase, they'll issue you a new one and collect the old one for free. I'd sooner write a 3-sentence email to Amazon Support, requesting a replacement component, then be tasked with waiting on the phone for however long, having my phone bill shoot through the roof while I'm waiting to be put through to an engineer who may or may not tell me that the computer fault is my own and I'll have to pony up the extra to have that particular issue covered in my warranty next time.


Theoretically yes. Although, multiple graphics card configurations do not always necessarily translate into double or triple performance. CrossFireX or SLi configurations (AMD's and Nvidia's fancy way of saying two cards sandwiched together, working in tandem, respectively) can yield some impressive performance figures, but, really, it is almost entirely down to the gaming/software developers to better optimize for those sort of lesser-common set-ups. To provide an example: when I was running a fairly healthy CrossFireX set-up a few years back, there were a few games whereby the framerate would very nearly double, but only offer as much as an estimated 10% increase in certain others.

Dual graphics card configurations are great, when you have the headroom to keep those puppies cooled and a power supply chunky enough to sling out the required dosage of power, but ultimately unnecessary for the casual gamer.



Know what used to a problem for me? Walls. Well, at least they were a bit of a nuisance until my wife went and bought me a silly-powerful drill and I treated myself to a Bosch multi detector. I don't much care for wireless webernet connections, and I'll be damned if I'm going to have a cable run right the way through my house, tripping me up every time I need to race to the throne for some Steve time. I now have two cables channelled through my walls (one for internet access, the other so that I can play games on my TV in the living room).

Don't let walls be an inconvenience and dictate where you can or can't put stuff in your own house.

Actually, on the subject of walls and drills and whatnot, a man is never truly a man until he owns a drill and has secured something larger than himself to a wall. Over the course of about 4 weeks, I've fixed approximately 75 things to the various walls of my house, ranging from a 50" plasma TV, to a home-made shelf. It is one fine shelf, though. Actually, it's 3 shelves. Black ones.

I trust that my nonsensical ramblings will have been of some use. Good luck with whatever it was that we were first discussing! Cheers!
And people ask me what attracted me to Steve in the first place...
 

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I'd have to ask my PC nerd friends for a full review tomorrow.
The GPU is fine, 680 is a card current era games can't fully utilize.
Same with 16GB RAM as said.
 

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Update: I've been on PC Specalist to build a custom PC and this what I've managed to Come up with:

Case: Coolmaster Storm enforcer
Processor Intel i7-2700k (3.50GHz, 8mb cache)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PCI-E ready, wifi, SLI, CROSSFIREX
Memory: 16 GB Samsung Dual DDR3 1333MHz (2x8GB)
Hard Drive: 2TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD2002 FAEX, SATA 6GBs, 64 MB Cache (7200 rpm)
SDD Cache Drive: 20GB Intel SSD (< Is a cache drive really nessecary for a gaming desktop? I heard a Solid state drive would make my programs run faster but is it worth it? I could save a bit of money if I left it out, but I don't want a slow computer.)
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 670 2GB (< is this adequate? the price is more reasonable than the 680 but is this one any good?)
Power supply: Corsair 650w Enthusiast
Processor Cooling: Super quiet 22 dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE INTEL CPU COOLER (< There was also the Spire-Gemini REV.3-THERMAX Twin fan cooler, it wasn't much more expensive than the Heatpipe one but I'm not sure which one would be better, I assume it'd be the Gemini because of the twin fans which one should I pick?)
Operating System: Windows 7 Premium 64 bit

So what do you think? Have I made an adequate gaming desktop or have I made a ticking time bomb? I haven't ordered it yet so feel free to criticise or make recommendations, as I've said before I'll take all the advice I can get. Any potential disasters present in my build?

CPU: Unless you intend to do an awful lot of video editing, then the much cheaper 2500k will suit you just fine.

Graphics card: The GTX 670 is an excellent card. The PC I'm running right now is equipped with one and it's brilliant. It is considered Nvidia's second best graphics card of this generation. However, I make it a habit to actively skip out on Nvidia's and AMD's 'best' offerings nowadays, not least because of the exorbitant prices, power consumption, heat generation and relatively low performance gains. Both company's 'second best' cards are usually more than enough and much more affordable.

Point being - you'll be just fine with that card. If it's the EVGA FTW model (of which I have), then you'll be able to enjoy even better temperatures and more room for overclocking.

SSD: Get a 120-128GB SSD instead and use it exclusively as a boot drive and for running your most used programs. Let the mechanical drive hold everything else, including games.

CPU cooler: I'll be honest - I've never had any experience with that one. I've been through a fair few CPU coolers, be it air or water-based, and so far I've been most impressed with the Cooler Master 212 EVO (I believe it's called); it's easy to fit, ultra-cheap (about £22 at the time of writing this) and dissipates heat like a muthaflippa.

Memory: Never used Samsung memory before - wasn't even aware they had their fingers dripped in that particular pie! Most everybody would recommend Corsair's 'Dominator' line of RAM sticks, as they're relatively cheap and cheerful and more than ideal for your average gamer.

Case: Never used that case, but I've heard great things about it. Mind you, everybody used to praise the Cooler Master HAF 932 case, and I thought it was a bit pants. I'm using a Corsair 800D now, but it's stupidly-large and I'll need to downgrade at some point as it takes up too much ruddy room in my office.

It's difficult to go wrong with a case, to be honest, especially if you're having the computer built for you and have no plans on ever getting your hands dirty. Does that build you've compiled even come with a monitor, by the way? Speakers? A headset?

Really, really can't encourage enough that you to save a tremendous amount of pennies by building your own rig, though.
 

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Really, really can't encourage enough that you to save a tremendous amount of pennies by building your own rig, though.

This, a thousand times.

Steve helped me build my rig and saved me the pain of shelling out a few extra hundred dollars on a pre-built setup with similar performance to mine. Not to mention you can come across really good deals on parts during sales when grabbed separately.
 
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I would build my own but the one trouble is I tend to be very, very clumsy when it matters. I've researched it a little though and it looks way easier than I thought, it's only been a few days and I'm already familiar with how PC parts function and which ones to invest in thanks to a few hours research and of course the invaluable first hand advice from you chaps here.

Steve, the site I'm thinking of buying from offers monitors, mouses, speakers etc in addition to the PC. I was thinking of getting a 23 inch monitor, and some reasonably priced speakers n' stuff. Also I took your advice you gave me on a 2500k and SSD drive and the build has worked out to be quite cheaper, also the parts you recommended have really good reviews too, so it's all good :)
 
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