Anders Breivik

[Tsuyu]

This is just me brainfarting. My thoughts on this subject as it has been festering inside my skull for quite a while now and I need to write 'em down. I'm fully aware most of you might not have followed this case or just don't feel comfortable talking about it. If you want to reply, that's cool, feel free.


Anders Breivik is an interesting person. On one hand you have this intellectual guy who has a lot of insightful things to say about the failure of multiculturalism and Islam's ultimate goal of conquering the world. Reading his manifesto I found myself actually agreeing with the guy on a lot of thing. Then you have the physical person of Breivik who blew up building, killing 8 (which I can understand as it was a valid political target if you consider the context of what he was trying to achieve, not that I condone terrorism) and brutally executed 69 teenagers and scarred many more for life. The latter part makes no friggin sense no matter how you look at it and it is something nobody can get behind, no matter how much they agree with "intellectual Breivik".

 

[Cain]

Funnily enough, I reading a part about Anders Breivik in a book yesterday, and it too questioned the logic in killing 77 white middle class teenagers in an attempt to stop muslim immigration. Looking at it, he was obviously insane, not because of his ideas, but because he had the delusion that killing those teenagers would stop muslims immigrating to Norway. Which, of course, it didn't.

 

[ScareCrowReturn]

Im intrigued.. Is their a way you could sum this fella up for me and his story??

 

[Cain]

Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian pronunciation: ['andəʂ 'beːɾiŋ 'bɾæɪʋiːk][5]; born 13 February 1979)[1] is a Norwegian accused mass murderer,[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] terrorist and the confessed perpetrator[14][15] of the 2011 attacks in Norway. On 22 July 2011, Breivik bombed the government buildings in Oslo, which resulted in eight deaths. He then carried out a mass shooting at a camp of the Workers' Youth League (AUF) of the Labour Party on the island of Utøya where he killed 69 people, mostly teenagers.[16][17][18]
Two pairs of court-appointed psychiatrists have examined Breivik prior to his 2012 trial. In the first report Breivik was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.[19] A second evaluation was commissioned following widespread criticism of the first report.[20] One week before the start of his trial the second psychiatric evaluation was published with the conclusion that Breivik was not psychotic during the attacks and he was not psychotic during their evaluation;[21] rather he is an extreme narcissist.[22] The trial of Anders Behring Breivik began on 16 April 2012 and closing arguments were held June 22.[23] The main issue to be decided in the trial is whether he can be given a prison sentence or, if the court finds him legally insane, he will be involuntarily sectioned to a psychiatric facility, possibly indefinitely. Contrary to popular belief, Norway's forensic psychiatric process means a psychiatric diagnosis could for Breivik mean more - rather than less - time in prison, even if he were successfully treated.[24]
Breivik's far-right[25] militant ideology is described in a compendium of texts, titled 2083 – A European Declaration of Independence and distributed electronically by Breivik on the day of the attacks.[25][26][27][28] In it he lays out his worldview, which includes support for cultural conservatism, ultranationalism, right-wing populism, Islamophobia,[29] Zionism,[25] anti-feminism,[30][31] and White nationalism.[32] It also expresses support for paramilitaries such as the Scorpions.[33] It regards Islam and cultural Marxism as the enemy, and argues for the violent annihilation of "Eurabia" and multiculturalism, and the deportation of all Muslims from Europe (culminating in the year 2083)[34] to preserve European Christendom.[25][35][36][37] Breivik wrote that his main motive for committing the atrocities on 22 July was to market this manifesto.[38]

This is the first part of his wikipedia page, which sums it up quite nicely. The actual page is much longer.

 

[Tsuyu]

Funnily enough, I reading a part about Anders Breivik in a book yesterday, and it too questioned the logic in killing 77 white middle class teenagers in an attempt to stop muslim immigration. Looking at it, he was obviously insane, not because of his ideas, but because he had the delusion that killing those teenagers would stop muslims immigrating to Norway. Which, of course, it didn't.

That he did it to stop immigration is either a misunderstanding or the media trying to angle it. He did it because in his mind the political left, the "Cultural Marxists" (whatever that means, I am still unsure) are betraying their own people and allowing Islam to seep into our culture and conquer us without force under the flag of Multiculturalism.

To which I agree to a lesser extend, but I'd go so far as to say that we're all guilty. We've all come to accept the fact that you can not do anything to offend Muslims. Offending Muslims is the biggest sin in the politically correct bullcrap world we live in. Oh no, you can't offend the Muslims! Just a few months ago when the school kids were starting their summer break there were a lot of people who started complaining that we had a little gathering in the church before letting the kids out to play, as is Swedish tradition. There really isn't anything overly religious over the whole deal, the principal just wishes everyone a nice summer and the priest says the compulsory blessing over them and such. But oh no, we could not hold this gathering in a Christian church because the Muslims might be offended! The saddest part? The complaints came from some politically correct Swedes; the Muslims weren't offended!

But they might be. They might. Probably not, but they might.

Another thing is Halal. Halal is a savage and brutal way to slaughter animals which causes extended suffering and mental anguish for the animal, all under the guise of idiotic superstition. I've seen videos inside a Halal abattoir and it isn't pretty; they cut the animals throat all the way back to the neck/spinal cord and let it bleed to death. The animal is left alive for a very long time, its head flopping back and forth and the hole in their neck drawing breath the entire time. But of course the Muslims must have their Halal meat, we can't offend the Muslims by telling them this is stupid and as a civilized nation we will not support this form of animal cruelty.

Oh no.

It is also too much of a bother for stores to have individual sections for Halal meat (or perhaps they don't want to advertise to their customers they support this idiocy). But the Muslims must not be offended, so they do stock Halal meat with the regular meat - but with a tiny, tiiiiiny disguised bit of text that says it is Halal. Personally I've gotten into the habit to always check the meat I buy for this little bit of text/sticker but I shudder to think that I have probably supported it by buying and consuming Halal meat without my own knowledge or consent.

It is idiocy and what is worse is that the radical groups of Islamists have caught up with it. They make more and more outrageous claims and when they don't get their will, they will bitch and moan about having been offended or even threaten with violence - which of course is the norm in the self-proclaimed religion of peace and our dumbass politicians and interest groups just bend over and pull down their pants.

This will not stand. Of course I think Breivik's actions are unjustifiable but I can understand the reason behind them. Only that I would not let the guilt rest solely with the left, but on us all.

 

[Cain]

I don't know if I've gotten this right, but is the point you're trying to make is that people are too busy trying to appease ethnic minorities due to political correctness, to the point where it causes some people, in particular extremists, to feel like their country is being invaded, which leads to events like the massacre caused by Breivik? I live in Britain, so I don't feel that way about muslims, but given the cirumstances you have laid out in your post, I can understand how some people could get angry about this. Not to the extent of which Breivik was, but the way you feel about it I can understand.

 

[Tsuyu]

In essence, yes. However, it is an invasion. We've shown weakness and the Islamic extremists in countries like Saudi Arabia are funding Muslim "community leaders" in our countries to exploit the political correctness idiocy to spread radical Islam. You have all these idiots going out in protest, demanding that we should all bow down to Islam and establish Sharia law and other nonsense. When, or should I say if, you dare to crack down on them they go out of their way to proclaim how they are being prosecuted, "waaah waaah!". In Britain you've got self-proclaimed Sharia judge Anjem "Andy" Choudry who is a prime example of this. His demands include the public execution of all homosexuals, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary


You have to realize that the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world under Islam is a core tenet of the "religion of peace". Again, I don't agree with Breivik's actions, but the situation that ultimately caused them is somewhat of a reality.

Actually, here is a Pat Condell summing it up:

 

[Cain]

In essence, yes. However, it is an invasion. We've shown weakness and the Islamic extremists in countries like Saudi Arabia are funding Muslim "community leaders" in our countries to exploit the political correctness idiocy to spread radical Islam. You have all these idiots going out in protest, demanding that we should all bow down to Islam and establish Sharia law and other nonsense. When, or should I say if, you dare to crack down on them they go out of their way to proclaim how they are being prosecuted, "waaah waaah!". In Britain you've got self-proclaimed Sharia judge Anjem "Andy" Choudry who is a prime example of this. His demands include the public execution of all homosexuals, for example.

You have to realize that the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world under Islam is a core tenet of the "religion of peace".

In Britain we don't listen to idiots like that. But most of us have the common sense not to listen to the BNP, which is the other extreme and preaches that if we don't act now, the muslim population will overtake us (unlikely, considering they only make up just over 10% of the population) and all the white people will become second class citizens. I agree in that we should have more of a backbone with dealing with extremists, but I wouldn't call it an invasion. That would be saying that all muslims want to take over europe, and I think it's unfair to group every muslim with extremists who believe that Islam is supreme.

 

[Tsuyu]

That would be saying that all muslims want to take over europe, and I think it's unfair to group every muslim with extremists who believe that Islam is supreme.

Well, thing about that is... The Quran tells you to conquer the world under Islam. Moderate or extremist, all Muslims believe the Quran to be the indisputable word of God. They may not be shouting it out loud like the extremists, but that doesn't make them believe in it less.

In Britain we don't listen to idiots like that. But most of us have the common sense not to listen to the BNP, which is the other extreme and preaches that if we don't act now, the muslim population will overtake us (unlikely, considering they only make up just over 10% of the population) and all the white people will become second class citizens. I agree in that we should have more of a backbone with dealing with extremists, but I wouldn't call it an invasion.

Claiming that is an immigration issue, that the Muslims will be the majority in a few years is utter nonsense. It is not so much an invasion by outnumbering the native population(that's not so say that Islam does not have a long record of violent invasion where the natives are forced to convert or be put to death) as it is an cultural invasion.

You live in Britain. You guys got Sharia courts now! That's insane! Utter madness...

 

[Cain]

Well, thing about that is... The Quran tells you to conquer the world under Islam. Moderate or extremist, all Muslims believe the Quran to be the indisputable word of God. They may not be shouting it out loud like the extremists, but that doesn't make them believe in it less.




Claiming that is an immigration issue, that the Muslims will be the majority in a few years is utter nonsense. It is not so much an invasion by outnumbering the native population(that's not so say that Islam does not have a long record of violent invasion where the natives are forced to convert or be put to death) as it is an cultural invasion.

You live in Britain. You guys got Sharia courts now! That's insane! Utter madness...

We are not being invaded culturally. There will be conflict between some cultures, but Muslims aren't taking over, especially not in Britain. Shariah courts have no power over non-muslims, and even now their future isn't certain, as people are asking for them to be banned. Some organisations protest over halal food, because they believe it is inhumane. But people get along fine, and Muslims aren't taking over British Culture.

 

[Tsuyu]

Taking over? No.

Pushing their archaic and barbaric culture onto us? Yes.

 

[SelfAppointedGunslinger]

Taking over? No.

Pushing their archaic and barbaric culture onto us? Yes.

There not really pushing it on us though, it only applies to them, even then it only applies to them in a civil catagory, if they kill someone or steal a car they still be tried how any native Englishman would be tried by an English crown court. They're not pushing anything on us.

Yeah you get the odd fundamentalist dickwad, banging on about how everyone should bow down to Islam whilst burning the British flag, but nobody takes any notice of them because they are a tiny cell of idiots who have no influence over the ordinary Muslim population or the native one.

 

[Tsuyu]

Halal slaughter. Muslim-only days at the swimming pool. Sharia Courts (no civilized democratic country should allow the establishment of Sharia Law).

The list goes on.

Also, the thing about the fundamentalist dickwads is this: every single Muslim believes the same! It is in the Quran! The indisputable truth and word of God. It is like how every single Christian won't tell it to your face about how you are an unbeliever and a sinner who will rot and burn forever in Hell. Some are just more vocal about it than other, but it is the core belief of the religion.

 

[SelfAppointedGunslinger]

Well what would your solution for this be? I mean if your were given direct undisputed control of the British government and could do anything you wanted to about this issue how would you act? And how would you deal with the inevitable backlashes and protests? I just want to know, for curiosities sake.

 

[Tsuyu]

Look, my philosophy in life is: You're allowed to do whatever you want; as long as you don't affect someone elses right to do the same. In essence - My right to throw punches end at your nose.

Any religion's right to freedom of religion ends with their proverbial fist in my proverbial face. In the case of Islam their proverbial fist is up my proverbial nose.

It is time to drop the political "correctness" and say "No". We don't want your Dark Ages views pushed on us.