Game Over

[Monrizzo]

Ok well, I belive that when you die you go to heavn, or hell you know if you were evil or not. The main reason for my viewpoint is that I actually died 3 times(I think I mentioned this on another thread) and I do remeber going fishing with my Grandfather who died before I was born, I described him perfectly to my mother even in the way he talked(he had a very thick german accent i.e. Vinsheild vipers, or bezza bie) and I remeber that the lake and surrounding shore was the most picture perfect scene you could imagine, each blade of grass was perfect and the lake itself I rember shimmered like it was the most finely polished glass you could ever image.

I didn't want to post this before because I'm sure alot will snicker at this and that's fine, but that's what I remeber. Take it as you will.

 

[DarkONI]

Too perfect.

 

[Lucky Strike]

2. Your cat has been summoned to the jury. No seriously. A boston couples' cat received a letter in the mail, telling that it needs to show up for jury duty. The couple sent back a letter telling that it IS a cat, but received one back saying it doesn't matter if it can't totally speak English, as long as it can understand it's job. The couple then went to their Vet to get a paper and document stating it is a FELINE, not a person and the cat was still called to duty, after receiving amazing amounts of lulz I guess the court finally realized they were being dumb and canceled the cat's duty call.

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[DarkONI]

That reminds a part of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, where they summon a parrot.

 

[Angel]

''to hell if we've just stuck two fingers up to God the wole time''. Now, does that mean yo ugo to hell when you've done bad stuff, or not believed in God? I'm interested in what you think. ^_^ I think if there is a heaven, I would most likely deserve to go there, even though I don't believe in him. Shouldn't being a good person be enough?

Explanashun as follows in tags because people get annoyed when I say anything like this:

Spoiler

Sincerity and goodness is not enough - after all, Hitler was incredibly sincere in his beliefs about what he was doing and thought them to be good and not many would ascribe him the title of "good person".

Belief in God isn't enough either - nor is attending church, being nice, helping others etc. Anyone can be a good, nice person. You don't need to believe in anything to do that. What makes the difference is accepting that as a person you screw up and this has separated you from having a relationship with God. So you acknowledge this, say sorry and mean it (posh word being repentance) and accept Jesus Christ as the son of God who died and rose again so that you can be saved and just ask that He take your life and help you from now on. When I refer to someone who "sticks two fingers up" I mean someone who knowingly and willingly says "God's a pile of crap, screw Him and I'll do my own thing. At the end of it all if I'm wrong I'm sure there'll be a way around it".

If you are truly following God then you are being changed every day from the inside out - it's a gradual thing in a lot of these changes and is a process that takes your lifetime. Therefore you will become less and less like your old self, willingly doing loads of crappy things to others, and become more and more Christ-like in that you will be trying to help and love others even when things are tough. Many will argue you don't need God for this and sure, you can be nice without God. But you can't get to heaven without Him so you may as well go the whole hog and get to know Him at the same time.

By the way, if someone comes in and wants to start kicking off on me, please don't bother. I've heard it all before and it's usually only said with the intent to be unpleasant rather than a mutual learning experience. If the sole purpose is to be argumentative and aggressive then kindly educate oneself beforehand based off personal experiences and research. I find that many who oppose me are just repeating someone else's arguments without anything from their own lives to base it on. Difference with me is, I've tried both lives and I know for myself which one works.

 

[Purple Nurple]

Explanashun as follows in tags because people get annoyed when I say anything like this:

Spoiler

Sincerity and goodness is not enough - after all, Hitler was incredibly sincere in his beliefs about what he was doing and thought them to be good and not many would ascribe him the title of "good person".

Belief in God isn't enough either - nor is attending church, being nice, helping others etc. Anyone can be a good, nice person. You don't need to believe in anything to do that. What makes the difference is accepting that as a person you screw up and this has separated you from having a relationship with God. So you acknowledge this, say sorry and mean it (posh word being repentance) and accept Jesus Christ as the son of God who died and rose again so that you can be saved and just ask that He take your life and help you from now on. When I refer to someone who "sticks two fingers up" I mean someone who knowingly and willingly says "God's a pile of crap, screw Him and I'll do my own thing. At the end of it all if I'm wrong I'm sure there'll be a way around it".

If you are truly following God then you are being changed every day from the inside out - it's a gradual thing in a lot of these changes and is a process that takes your lifetime. Therefore you will become less and less like your old self, willingly doing loads of crappy things to others, and become more and more Christ-like in that you will be trying to help and love others even when things are tough. Many will argue you don't need God for this and sure, you can be nice without God. But you can't get to heaven without Him so you may as well go the whole hog and get to know Him at the same time.

By the way, if someone comes in and wants to start kicking off on me, please don't bother. I've heard it all before and it's usually only said with the intent to be unpleasant rather than a mutual learning experience. If the sole purpose is to be argumentative and aggressive then kindly educate oneself beforehand based off personal experiences and research. I find that many who oppose me are just repeating someone else's arguments without anything from their own lives to base it on. Difference with me is, I've tried both lives and I know for myself which one works.

I suppose I think the same. The only one problem I have with that approach is: 'accept Jesus Christ as the son of God who died and rose again'.

Now I might be interpreting it differently, but does that mean you have to accept Jesus in order to go to heaven? If that's the case, then what about the countless nummber of children that die during childbirth that haven't had the chance to choose a faith, or the number of people that live in countries where freedom of faith isn't an option? I generally believe that if there is a heaven, good people with go there, but bad people won't. Of course, good and bad can often be subjective. As you said, the world would be different if Hitler wasn't defeated.

I'd like to believe that when you die, you go to a subconscious place, sort of like getting stuck in your own head.

 

[D3m190d]

Explanashun as follows in tags because people get annoyed when I say anything like this:

Spoiler

Sincerity and goodness is not enough - after all, Hitler was incredibly sincere in his beliefs about what he was doing and thought them to be good and not many would ascribe him the title of "good person".

Belief in God isn't enough either - nor is attending church, being nice, helping others etc. Anyone can be a good, nice person. You don't need to believe in anything to do that. What makes the difference is accepting that as a person you screw up and this has separated you from having a relationship with God. So you acknowledge this, say sorry and mean it (posh word being repentance) and accept Jesus Christ as the son of God who died and rose again so that you can be saved and just ask that He take your life and help you from now on. When I refer to someone who "sticks two fingers up" I mean someone who knowingly and willingly says "God's a pile of crap, screw Him and I'll do my own thing. At the end of it all if I'm wrong I'm sure there'll be a way around it".

If you are truly following God then you are being changed every day from the inside out - it's a gradual thing in a lot of these changes and is a process that takes your lifetime. Therefore you will become less and less like your old self, willingly doing loads of crappy things to others, and become more and more Christ-like in that you will be trying to help and love others even when things are tough. Many will argue you don't need God for this and sure, you can be nice without God. But you can't get to heaven without Him so you may as well go the whole hog and get to know Him at the same time.

By the way, if someone comes in and wants to start kicking off on me, please don't bother. I've heard it all before and it's usually only said with the intent to be unpleasant rather than a mutual learning experience. If the sole purpose is to be argumentative and aggressive then kindly educate oneself beforehand based off personal experiences and research. I find that many who oppose me are just repeating someone else's arguments without anything from their own lives to base it on. Difference with me is, I've tried both lives and I know for myself which one works.

[serious] I see. ^_^
And I too am kinda tired with people only giving arguments to be unpleasant, rather than explaining and discussing (but that counts for both atheists and theists).

[unserious] Either way, I'm (if my view of good/evil is right) not going to hell! Yaaaay.......

 

[Drew2686]

I like to think of a heaven as not the typical clouds and harps, but more like how it is in What Dreams May Come.

*shrug*

 

[Noctus]

Ok well, I belive that when you die you go to heavn, or hell you know if you were evil or not. The main reason for my viewpoint is that I actually died 3 times(I think I mentioned this on another thread) and I do remeber going fishing with my Grandfather who died before I was born, I described him perfectly to my mother even in the way he talked(he had a very thick german accent i.e. Vinsheild vipers, or bezza bie) and I remeber that the lake and surrounding shore was the most picture perfect scene you could imagine, each blade of grass was perfect and the lake itself I rember shimmered like it was the most finely polished glass you could ever image.

I didn't want to post this before because I'm sure alot will snicker at this and that's fine, but that's what I remeber. Take it as you will.

*snicker*

Yeah sorry but I call rubbish to the whole dying three times thing.

 

[Tsuyu]

Your Heaven would be my Hell, Sharon. Spend eternity with Christians? The majority are insufferable down here on Earth already, the fact that we're in Heaven would mean that they were right all along and I'd never hear the end of it! No, my Heaven would be Earth after the Rapture. Y'know, when every single Christian jump ship to go to Heaven? I wouldn't mind being left down below.

I got no problem with God, in the end it is Christians I can't stand.

 

[Monrizzo]

*snicker*

Yeah sorry but I call rubbish to the whole dying three times thing.

Thats fine but all I can say is that it really happened, I don't know why someone would make up something like that, or what I have to gain by lying, but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Tsuyu]

I don't know why someone would make up something like that, or what I have to gain by lying.

Enormous wealth and power...?

 

[Monrizzo]

Enormous wealth and power...?

OOOOOh you have sum i can haz?

 

[Tsuyu]

No, but the Christian (read: Catholic) church has it coming out of the wazoo. Well, granted it is a lot less since the Dark Ages, but still.

 

[Angel]

Now I might be interpreting it differently, but does that mean you have to accept Jesus in order to go to heaven? If that's the case, then what about the countless nummber of children that die during childbirth that haven't had the chance to choose a faith, or the number of people that live in countries where freedom of faith isn't an option?

Yes, it does mean you have to accept Jesus, if you are able (as in of sound mind, capable of reason, judgement and coherent thought - that sort of thing).

Those who are aware and capable of choosing for themselves are subject to the whole "choosing Christ" thing - babies, young kids, those who are mentally incapable are not subject to this. God is perfect in His ability to judge and He can see that which people cannot concerning the heart and mind, the choices made and the understanding within (or lack of). Christianity is a choice made by free will - if you are incapable of comprehending to make a choice then it is not held against you. Same with genuine unknowing, which indeed is still the case in some parts of the world - but if you are aware of the Gospel message and still reject it, this is not the same thing as not having a chance to choose. The very act of rejection is a choice in itself.

Many Christians live in countries where freedom of faith is not permitted yet they still make the choice - sure, they have to keep it hidden for the most part like in China (or they are imprisoned, tortured and killed) but they still have freedom of choice even if the government does not allow the outward practising of it. You can still choose inwardly to accept something without the permission of the ruling powers - free will cannot be contained by laws when it occurs within the mind and heart.

/ just sayin'

 

[Purple Nurple]

Yes, it does mean you have to accept Jesus, if you are able (as in of sound mind, capable of reason, judgement and coherent thought - that sort of thing).

Those who are aware and capable of choosing for themselves are subject to the whole "choosing Christ" thing - babies, young kids, those who are mentally incapable are not subject to this. God is perfect in His ability to judge and He can see that which people cannot concerning the heart and mind, the choices made and the understanding within (or lack of). Christianity is a choice made by free will - if you are incapable of comprehending to make a choice then it is not held against you. Same with genuine unknowing, which indeed is still the case in some parts of the world - but if you are aware of the Gospel message and still reject it, this is not the same thing as not having a chance to choose. The very act of rejection is a choice in itself.

Many Christians live in countries where freedom of faith is not permitted yet they still make the choice - sure, they have to keep it hidden for the most part like in China (or they are imprisoned, tortured and killed) but they still have freedom of choice even if the government does not allow the outward practising of it. You can still choose inwardly to accept something without the permission of the ruling powers - free will cannot be contained by laws when it occurs within the mind and heart.

/ just sayin'

That clears it up - it's a question I've had for a while now.

 

[Tsuyu]

That's pretty harsh, Sharon. So I'll be burning in everlasting agony forever? I'd say that's a pretty evil thing to believe in.

 

[Noctus]

I don't know why someone would make up something like that,

Attention? Lying to ones-self? Self assurance? List goes on.

 

[Drew2686]

...as a way to control the populace, justify murder and war and death, restrict human progress...

and on, and on...

However there are positives, but they are less global as they are individual.

George Carlin has a great take on it all, I think (though I don't prescribe to the same ideas myself).

 

[ScareCrowReturn]

Well, you may be right that death is an adventure, but they way you said it, it's like you want to die very soon (''I can't wait.''). Well, maybe that is what you meant, but don'y you rather want to spend an interesting life, before that adventure?

Haha yeah when I mean "I cant wait" I mean, I cant wait till I die, Meaning I dont want my time to hurry up, Just when I die, It should be exciting!