I believe thsi is random..

[Dark Drakan]

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i dont see how calling a homless person a tramp is offensive

Derogatory term thats not exactly flattering and used in an insulting manner.

 

[Tsuyu]

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Well, the term tramp has been often used to name positive characters - like Chaplin's famous character, The Tramp, and that movie about those dogs - The Lady and The Tramp.

 

[Angel]

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i dont see how calling a homless person a tramp is offensive

To pretty much anyone who has ever been in a homeless situation, the connotations of the word tramp would cause them to be highly offended by the reference. It would imply that by losing their home, they somehow abandon all self-respect and dignity - which is simply not the case.

Those who beg do not do it for a laugh, in the vast majority of cases. They do it to stay alive.

 

[KaveX]

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I feel sorry for those people , i see 'em everyday here... (Casino town..)

 

[cometojames]

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Its only a name for them , its like calling a fireman a worker lol.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Its only a name for them , its like calling a fireman a worker lol.

Name maybe, but not a nice one as Sharon explained quite well. Most homeless people would be highly offended by that term and i dont think its a nice thing to call them either. Generalising people just comes across as narrow minded or ignorant to someone elses situation.

 

[Angel]

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Plus calling someone a "worker" has no real negative meaning...

 

[cometojames]

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thats my point!!! nor does tramp better then calling them a bobo or homeless

 

[Dark Drakan]

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thats my point!!! nor does tramp better then calling them a bobo or homeless

Thats what you dont seem to understand 'Tramp' is offensive and Homeless is what they are... they should be referred to as 'Homeless' as thats their situation not a name and cant been seen as an offensive term. Calling them a tramp would be seen as highly offensive by many people, even i dont like the word and would be offended by it.

 

[cometojames]

Re: I believe thsi is random..

its my opinion sorry if you dont agree with that. They got themselfs in that way

 

[Dark Drakan]

Re: I believe thsi is random..

its my opinion sorry if you dont agree with that. They got themselfs in that way

No they didnt, i know many people who didnt have a choice... very ignorant to think that it was their own fault.

 

[cometojames]

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well how did they get there!!!

 

[Dark Drakan]

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well how did they get there!!!

Well my friend ended up homeless after his girlfriend of 5 years kicked him out for no reason 9 weeks after giving birth to their second child. The house was in her name because her parents left it to her in their will. She came back at 4am drunk kicked him out and asked him back about 4 times shortly before kicking him out again. Leaving him with nowhere to go and nowhere to live. He wasnt on the streets fair enough because he had close friends who put him up for a few nights but he had to go and move in with his nan shortly afterwards. Some people arent that lucky and have nowhere to go, would you still call these people tramps because they are homeless? Or do you use the word to describe someone who is a drunk, dirty, old street beggar? Hence the reason tramp would be an offensive word to use.

 

[Angel]

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its my opinion sorry if you dont agree with that. They got themselfs in that way

Like Andy said, that is not always the case. I became homeless because my family home had to be sold and my job was not bringing in enough money to rent anywhere. Then I had to leave my job due to various reasons and so was left with nowhere to live and no money. It really is that simple.

I spent a year sleeping wherever I could and the accommodation provided by the local council was little more than a crack den full of nutters and addicts. There were regular stabbings and shootings, people used the hallways to relieve themselves and the doors were locked after 5pm so you could not leave to go anywhere - after I was attacked myself I had to leave and live in a safehouse for women with children. I remained there until Jessica was born and then finally a social worker managed to get us somewhere permanent to live. I was very very lucky indeed. Had I not had any family connections with the town I was in at the time, I would not be a priority to be housed and could have spent anything up to 8 years living wherever I could find space. Even the safehouse would only have accommodated me for a certain length of time before turfing me out. They don't have room for everyone and at £150 per week to stay there, it wasn't the cheapest option and the council would eventually refuse to pay the majority of those costs and shunt me back to a crack house again.

Begging for food and money is not something I enjoyed doing, but there was no alternative. Yes, you can apply for benefits - but they take anything from 6 weeks and upwards to come through - in the mean time, you have to fend for yourself.

Some people may well choose to run away from home and prefer a life on the streets to living with their family or whatever - but it is certainly not something they would do unless they felt there was no other option. I guess unless you know someone who has been there or you've been through it yourself, it must be difficult to understand...

 

[cometojames]

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wow i....i i am sorry. it seems you have had such a life and your only a young 25 year old. Sorry for such a sad time and sorry for what i said. I hope all is well now!!!! How did you cope??

 

[Dark Drakan]

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wow i....i i am sorry. it seems you have had such a life and your only a young 25 year old. Sorry for such a sad time and sorry for what i said. I hope all is well now!!!! How did you cope??

So long as you can see why the term was offensive to us. Sharon has been there and ive had close friends and others ive been very close to put into those situations and they didnt bring it on themselves thats for sure. Was merely a bad run they went through and the hardships that followed were unavoidable, such is life and all that.

 

[Angel]

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Well, it was a while ago and I had just turned 18 at the time - you are entitled to an opinion, of course; the main reason Andy and I were correcting you was because the large majority of homeless people are not in that situation because they put themselves there on purpose.

It's not so much coping as just going through each day as it comes and not thinking ahead because tomorrow might be just as crap if not worse than today, sort of thing. Each day was an experience - most people take things like eating for granted but I didn't always get to eat every day. Sometimes it was a choice between getting to a much-needed hospital or doctor's appointment or eating at all.

Didn't help that I was with a man who was...shall we say...incredibly unpleasant for the most part

I think I spent that year in a bit of a daze to be honest :lol: - it seems like a world away from my life now in my own home with a husband and pretty much wanting for nothing... goodness knows how Steve has managed with me :lol:

 

[cometojames]

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hahahahha did you ever question your belief

 

[Angel]

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Yep - I'd be superhuman not to, I reckon. There was a long period of time when I said, in no uncertain terms, to God "you can just **** off"

But things changed, as did I, and I suppose the rest is history

Certainly learned a lot during that year and if it happened to me again, I know I'd be able to manage because I've done it once already. It's weird. You think you wouldn't be able to handle such and such happening to you but when it does, you realise that you can deal with a lot more than you thought you could...

 

[cometojames]

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where you attacked bnabdly, have you heard from you ex if you dont mind me asking