Respect

[ssjcb1186]

FROM THE BEGINNING...meaning: right when you meet them. If you could just add that to the end of each question, that'd be great

Hey all...me again. >_> <_<

Anyway, since I'm bored and should be in bed, I'm going to waste a few minutes to post this seeing as there aren't any other threads I care to post in. You know, for sh!ts and giggles.

So, I'm just wondering what the community (of 5 people now) think about the two options above. My Anthro/Soc teacher believes everyone deserves respect right off the bat. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that you can lose respect and gain it back. So, this is kind of like the "Chicken or the Egg" first...though one either being wrong or both of them are included in the equation (whatever equation that may be).

I agree with her and have had a "discussion" about it with someone who didn't really get it (although I probably didn't present my side well which is usually the case) but several others who (mostly) agreed with me.

I believe people are human and deserve respect. This level of respect doesn't change much for aspects such as authority or power. You're a person just like me and I'm going to treat you how I'd like to be treated, end of story. This may have to do something about my problem of communicating/relating to children...but I wouldn't know. However, I don't deny the fact that one can lose my respect, which it usually become unattainable by then.

This is my own opinion and this thread is to reveal how others feel/think about the issue presented. No one's wrong or right (well, that's not entirely true).

I kind of just realized this may have some connection to the reason of my departure but I swear they have zero correlation to each other. This idea is fairly common.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

i hate to not be able to answer this decisively. really i do. it bothers me when someone can't give a straight answer. as much as i hate to say it, yes and no. ****, i've said that in both of your threads. once i'm done posting i'll be off to go tell myself to give straight answers and not try to be a creative fairy princess with yes or no questions.

i'm not sure if you're asking if people should earn respect or if they do earn respect. here's how i'd break it down.
1. blank slate. everyone starts off neutral. what neutral is would be based on your expectations and overall outlook. this can be overridden by a pre-existing reputation of some sort.
2. person is seen and prejudices determine a starting point. nobody means to be prejudiced, but everyone is. don't lie about it.
3. first impressions which end up meaning more than the prejudices in the long run.
that's how people do earn respect.
they deserve a chance to be able to.

 

[Fenrir]

In my book everyone gets treated the same until they prove that they are undeserving. I dont care what your religion is, just dont preach it to me. I dont care what color your skin is, but f**k you if you think it entitles you to special treatment. Your gay? So what. just dont hit on me. We're all the same until you make me hate you.

 

[Arseface]

Both. People gain and lose respect, but that should only affect (effect? Walker will correct me on that one) how you feel about them internally. You should always treat people as if you respect them.

/mytwocents

 

[ssjcb1186]

In light of cheez's question, I thought I'd clarify my initial post. I'd totally respond to what people have said but I'm on my iTouch and I need to keep getting ready for work. I meant from the beginning: do people deserve that respect or do they have to earn it first?

 

[SelfAppointedGunslinger]

I think people earn respect largely. However that doesn't give a person the right to treat others like **** until they earn it.

 

[TRA Rotid]

It's like ELO rating. You get 1200 right off the bat.

Actual starting points may vary depending on situation.

 

[Angel]

Both. People gain and lose respect, but that should only affect (effect? Walker will correct me on that one) how you feel about them internally. You should always treat people as if you respect them.

/mytwocents

I'm not Walker (sobs) but you were right with "affect".

That is all.

 

[Noctus]

Well if you truly deserve respect, you've obviously earned it in one way or another. Earning respect is the only route with me, and I won't respect someone without them giving me reason to.

 

[Tsuyu]

You can start out with my tolerance; my respect you'll have to earn.

 

[ssjcb1186]

Since my other "Copy and Paste" from the website failed, I'm just going to type it out.

Respect:
...
4. esteem or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered a manifestation of the personal quality or ability.

For me, everyone has worth and esteem that's worth recognizing. Looking at it the other way: who am I to say they have no worth? However, with a single phrase or action, this worth can plummet. But if you treat me civilly, I'll do the same.

I like the answers, by the way. The way Tsuyu put it was seems pretty accurate for everyone who's saying "they have to earn it first." It's not bad, and tolerance can go a long way.

 

[HobbeBrain]

This is an interesting and pretty hard to answer question, however I have to draw mine from personal experience:

I was about 12, some guy had been bullying me for at least 6 months and I was to worried to even go to a teacher about it. Because of this I was withdrawn, pretty unsociable and basically not all that popular.

Then one day I punched him in the face and gave him a nose bleed. Everyone basically loved me after that. Ergo, I earned respect.

Although there is one guy who everyone really takes the **** out of. And he does "cool kid" stuff, but people twist that into "uncool kid" stuff. I think he even once tried to kill himself by stabbing his chest with a plastic knife.

 

[ssjcb1186]

Hm...so, Hobbe, you weren't treated with Respect before you showed physical prowess.

However, what would your answer be for you. Don't base it off what others have done or what you've experienced. How do you think it should go? (This pretty much goes for anyone that may not have taken this approach)

 

[Firis]

Previously stated by others, but my opinion:

Tolerance and a positive attitude towards a person until they show themselves worthy of either scolding and pity or adoration and respect.

 

[ssjcb1186]

but what do you consider "respect"?

 

[Firis]

To hold in esteem or honor.

 

[ssjcb1186]

How do you mean?

 

[Shirosaki]

I consider respect to be a form of admiration or acknowledgement.

However, it can also just be as a result of how you were raised. For example, I have a profound respect for women. I try swear, make crude jokes, or raise my voice in the presence of women, and I try to be courteous in ways such as opening doors, offering chairs etc. It's not a conscious decision, it's a behaviour that I've been socialised in to - it is an internalised behaviour.

It's also not a sign of admiration or, arguably, acknowledge (when I say acknowledgement I mean in terms of superiority, skill etc.).

That's not to say that I don't respect men though. I'd like to think that everybody respects each other in that they would be willing to help each other and be civil even though this isn't always the case.

tl;dr - Cheez's post.

 

[Necromancer]

Nobody gets my respect without earning it. When I meet someone new, do I respect them? No, but that doesn't mean I disrespect them, because I don't. We all obviously have a certain amount of prejudices toward people like Cheez said, but I like to think that after actually meeting a person, their actions will overpower any prejudices I had before. Their actions shape the way I view them, and they determine how much I respect or disrespect them.

After reading Shirosaki's post, I thought about something else. I'm not sure if this is exactly what you were talking about Shiro, but it made me think of something. It really bothers me when somebody says that men should always respect women. I mean, I'm not an advocate of always disrespecting women; that's not what this is about. It just irritates me when people think they deserve respect for the way they were born. What happened to equality anyway? Equality doesn't just mean not treating certain people or groups of people badly. It means treating everyone the same regardless of how they were born, which in turn means not giving people special treatment just because of how they were born. Women have to earn respect just like men.

 

[ssjcb1186]

Good point Necro. We're striving for human equality so I'll open a door or give a seat to a woman just as I would a man because they're human and (they deserve it) it's the right thing to do. I actually proved that Chivalry is Sexist because, the kind of chivalry we're talking about, sexism is the discrimination of gender and discrimination is the treatment of a certain group for or against them. So, regardless of the positive connotation chivalry has, it's sexism.

It's not that I hate chivalry, I just think it shouldn't be one sided. So I don't "agree" with it.