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ssjcb1186

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So, searching through the search and being bored has lead me to start this thread that probably won't be wicked popular but it's something I've been wanting to do.

Now, I have a "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Astrology: Fourth Edition" by Madeline Gerwick-Brodeur and Lisa Lenard that I have taken a particular interest and reliance in. It's very informative and descriptive and the people who I've told what their Sun, Moon, and Ascendants mean say it's very accurate.

However, I understand that it's so "accurate" because it's so vague and know that it is a Pseudoscience. This is an interest in me, like making hemp bracelets/necklaces and singing.

I'll give you a little intro into my personality and will be willing to do the same for others if they give me the correct accurate information. This will be long, and since spoilers aren't up, I'll put in the words if you want to skip it.

(This is exactly quoted from the book)
Sun: Pisces
Mutable water: from solid (ice) to liquid to gas (vapor). This is the character is Pisces, changing according to outside conditions. And yet Fishes live largely in the world of the imagination, the realm of dreams, where objects and events seem to have no connection to outer reality. What's going on here?

The last sign of the zodiac is truly universal. Pisces creates the possibility to move beyond self into transcendence, represented to humans as the world of dreams and faith. But this also can be a world of sheer escapism, where dreaming is done for its own sake. [Fish], we could say, can either sink or swim.

Put another way, [Fish] know which way the river is running and might swim with it or against it. Swimming against it can mean that they might find a way to another stream ("hooked" [Fish] can channel their addictions, for example), while swimming with it might mean, quite literally, "going with the flow," and living intuitively.

[Fish]are highly intuitive, and Pisces is the sign that merges with others so easily that these people done always know what's there's and what belongs to someone else. As the last sign of the zodiac, Pisces carries the knowledge of the preceding 11 signs, knowing and understanding the light, dark, and shadowy in-betweens of human nature. [Fish] are frequently so sensitive to the vibrations of others that they can go into work and instantly feel how others are doing. Unfortunately, they also might unconsciously take responsibility for how others are doing, or wonder why they feel so bad - especially when they woke up feeling so good!

For this reason, [Fish] can have a hard time maintaining their boundaries and knowing what they're feeling, as opposed to what others are feeling. The reason for this boundary stuff goes back to the main point of Pisces, which is to merge with others and, eventually, the Source or God. [Fish] are in a highly spiritual sign, living in a very nonspiritual world. For this reason, it's easy for them to get off-track by merging with the wrong people and to get away from their true spiritual focus.

Above all, [Fish] are here to give, not just to those like themselves, but to anyone who needs their help, love, attention, or whatever. Pisces want to heal and will sacrifice for the great good of their families, communities, and country.

Moon: Scorpio
A Moon in Scorpio is so intense that it spends a great deal of energy protecting itself from its own emotions. Well aware of how powerful emotions can be (and never satisfied with superficial answers), Scorpio Moons can be suspicious of others and quick to judge, and can hold grudges for a very, very long time. At the same time, they have a desire to understand deep mysteries and get to the bottom of things, which makes Scorpio Moons' emotional nature both intuitive and potent, capable of stronger feelings than any other Moon sign. Scorpio Moons often seek their soul mates. Above all, Scorpio Moons feel with their intense emotions.

Ascendant: Gemini
Motion. That's what you're going to see in Rising Twins. Restlessness is the hallmark of this ascendant., and Rising Twins find their identity by making as many contacts as possible. Rising Twins are often the life of the party and, in fact, are often giving the party.

At the same time, Rising Twins are learning to be the eternal youth, free spirit, entertainer, artist, or comedian. They can also be the troubadour minstrel, court jester, trickster, or clown, or the coyote that leaves a surprise. Remember that the court jester was the only one who could tell the King the truth and not be killed for it (another form of messenger). Rising Twins are learning how to communicate truthfully without getting creamed for it.

A Gemini ascendant will appear excitable and quick - and also prone to upset. At the same time, there's an aloofness here: Twins' connections are made on a mental field which can often leave emotions out in the cold.

For those of you who don't know the difference between "Sun, Moon, and Ascendant;" the Sun is, essentially, who you are; the Moon is "your emotional self, your feelings, and your intuition;" and your Ascendant is your face, or your mask, that you present to other people. "How you come off to other people" is also a good way to describe what your Ascendant means to you, personally.

There are many more things that I won't get into now, but will if anyone has questions.

For those of you who have studied Astrology more thoroughly, here's my natal birth chart (listed).

Sun: Pisces - 11th House
Moon: Scorpio - 6th House
Mercury: Pisces - 11th House
Venus: Aries - 11th House
Mars: Gemini - 1st House
Jupiter: Leo - 3rd House
Saturn: Aquarius - 9th House
Uranus: Capricorn - 8th House
Neptune: Capricorn - 8th House
Pluto: Scorpio - 6th House

Vesta: Taurus - 12th House
Chiron: Cancer - 3rd House
Pallas: Virgo - 5th House
Ceres: Scorpio - 6th House
Juno: Capricorn - 8th House

Fortune: Capricorn - 9th House

South Node/South Node: Leo/Capricorn - 3rd House/9th House

Astrological Signature: Scorpio

I didn't put degrees in here because I don't know the best way to write them. Also, I don't know much about Retrogrades because I didn't find enough interest in the chapter :/...

So, let the conversations begin :)
 
Are you familiar with the phenomenon known as the precession of the equinoxes?

I just baited you into getting me started on a religious debate, btw.
 
I am willing to provide you with the "correct accurate information" you need, but first you need to tell what that information is. All I know is that according to my birthdate, I'm a scorpio. I don't know about the sun and moon and all that stuff. My birthdate is 11/18/1989, do with that what you will.
 
Are you familiar with the phenomenon known as the precession of the equinoxes?
I actually have no idea what that means...:)
I'm kind of curious how something that seems to be "factual" can be turned into a debate...curious curious.

I am willing to provide you with the "correct accurate information" you need, but first you need to tell what that information is. All I know is that according to my birthdate, I'm a scorpio. I don't know about the sun and moon and all that stuff. My birthdate is 11/18/1989, do with that what you will.
Well, I'll need your birthplace (city, state, country) and your birth time. The time can NOT be an estimate or some things WILL be off.

And I described the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant in the paragraph below the "spoilers."

Yo, Polaris is a pretty cool star. Just sayin'.
How so?


Oh yeah, and I don't want to make anyone think I'm an expert or anything in this...I just know the most basic stuff...barely :/
 
I believe my sun sign is Leo, my moon sign is pisces, and my rising sign is libra. It's weird.
Would you like me to confirm? Did you put in your correct birth time and place? Do you want me to give you a description of what they mean/how they describe your personality?
 
Nah I know how they all affect me, I've done that whole thing cuz I was curious.

Leo sun sign is basic zodiac. Pisces in my moon sign is where I get my 'emotional lightning rod'-ness. And Libra in rising causes me to tend to be a middle ground. With their powers combined, I am captain pla- **** that copyright.

If you really wanna here's my info:

August 11, 1987. Born in Biddeford Maine at 10:21 AM.
 
White Howler:
Sun: Leo
Fixed Leo is a fire sign, filled with pride for family, friends, and accomplishments. Summer is the seasons to shine, and Leos bask in the glory of the Sun, Leo's ruler. Talk about self-confidence, Lions invented it. Leos love the spotlight. They're dramatic, they're bold, they're creative, and they're strong; no other sign can grab and hold center stage the way a Lion can. Who's telling the jokes, leading the songs, rallying everyone for a game of softball? Leo, of course!

Lions are great fun to be around, too. Their exuberance is contagious, and when they get to the party, everyone knows it's really time to party. Not only can Leos lead, they will lead: Lions expect to be at the head of the line - and of the pride.
(Yeah, that is pretty basic...:/)

Moon: Pisces
Dreamy Moons in Pisces always believe the best about everyone and everything, so they're constantly setting themselves up for disappointment. With their sensitive and compassionate emotional nature, Pisces Moons forgive just about anything, too, but they're easily hurt and may sometimes feel sorry for themselves. Moons in Pisces can confuse dreams with reality, which makes this a most creative Moon, although when they find that they really live in reality, not in a dream, it can be a jarring jolt. Idealistic and romantic Pisces Moons feel through their imaginations.

Rising: Libra
Rising Scales are learning about Consciousness, equal relationships, and partnerships. This is not about defining who you are by whom you're with, but actually learning - through constant interaction - about relationships as a spiritual path.

Rising Scales' need for companionship or partnership is balanced by their desire for fair play, peace, balance, and harmony. After their need for love is satisfied, their desire for social justice kicks in. They might have a well - developed sense of diplomacy and refined social graces, and often are very personable and charming as well.


Just felt like doin' it...:/
Does this sound, at all, accurate? Is it everything you've heard before?
 
sun sign - Gemini, rising sun sign - Taurus, moon sign - Leo.

you know... the astronomy has been shifting ever so slightly since the beginning of horoscopes. what you are now, you are really the preceding one on todays calendar. so normally i'm a gemini, but in reality i'm a taurus. proves how bogus it all is.

i wanted to link you to this rant, but i'm gonna say it all over again. it's instantly what comes to mind whenever ANYONE brings up horoscopes around me. i have this bad luck of meeting nice girls who believe WAY TOO MUCH in astrology. to the point where they judge me and their compatability with me based on them. it's harmless to a degree. when a girl breaks up with you because you're a goddamn gemini somethings wrong. we can have a fight and then they'll say "oh! well i'm a taurus and you're a gemini so we're supposed to have bad fights" NO! we have bad fights because your stubborn and you like to pin that to your birth sign rather than coming to terms with it. i know plenty of other taurus's that are the polar opposite. it means NOTHING. if you blame every fight in a relationship you have on horoscopes then you're missing out on the big picture. your bat**** crazy and that's why none of your relationships work. now GTFO my life and take your crystal ****ing ball with you.
 
@ ssjcb1186: I don't read too much into horoscopes, and that one is half-right and half wrong. As Cheeze said they aren't be all end all, and I know some people who are total opposite of their zodiac. So it's with a grain of salt that I say the Leo part is always a bit right, I DO have Leo qualities sometimes, but I know how to work as a part of a team even if I'm NOT the head. Also the moon sign is close, I do have rather vivid dreams and they are realistic enough to be a jolt as it says, however I am not idealistic, I am both realist and idealist as I see the world for what it is but I also believe certain positive ideals are possible, if unrealistic a goal. The Libra part is iffy at best, but kind of right.

Again, as Cheeze said zodiacs and horoscopes are a gross generalization, but I do like seeing which parts fit and which don't in them.
 
"Pseudoscience"? It isn't any form of science.
No, it pretty much means "fake science." There's no proof behind it's actual genuineness.It's based off illogical relevance between people/the thing(s) they're studying.

sun sign - Gemini, rising sun sign - Taurus, moon sign - Leo.

you know... the astronomy has been shifting ever so slightly since the beginning of horoscopes. what you are now, you are really the preceding one on todays calendar. so normally i'm a gemini, but in reality i'm a taurus. proves how bogus it all is.

i wanted to link you to this rant, but i'm gonna say it all over again. it's instantly what comes to mind whenever ANYONE brings up horoscopes around me. i have this bad luck of meeting nice girls who believe WAY TOO MUCH in astrology. to the point where they judge me and their compatability with me based on them. it's harmless to a degree. when a girl breaks up with you because you're a goddamn gemini somethings wrong. we can have a fight and then they'll say "oh! well i'm a taurus and you're a gemini so we're supposed to have bad fights" NO! we have bad fights because your stubborn and you like to pin that to your birth sign rather than coming to terms with it. i know plenty of other taurus's that are the polar opposite. it means NOTHING. if you blame every fight in a relationship you have on horoscopes then you're missing out on the big picture. your bat**** crazy and that's why none of your relationships work. now GTFO my life and take your crystal ****ing ball with you.
I know it, and I really agree with you; both you and John. I know how off definitions can be, this is just an interest and I was bored. I've read meanings from so many sites and I just pick them apart to no end...it's great :).

That bull that they'd break up with you and say that every problem is because of you SUN sign...there's way too much more to blame it on the vaguest of signs...for reals

However, what I've come to realize, is that (for my book) it's sometimes vague enough to be able to manipulate into certain parts of my personality. Like my Rising is pretty much the opposite of who I am, but then I realize that, sometimes, I do the things it mentions or behave the way it says or think the way it describes. It's actually not very hard to manipulate it like that if you actually think about it. Here, I'll do it for you :)

Sun: Gemini
Twins are like two people who share one body, often appearing to go in two directions at the same time. They may even refer to themselves as "we"! Always thinking and observing, Twins never miss - or forget - a thing and will leave you in their dust if you can't keep up. Cerebral and witty, Twins talk all the time. Pay attention because Twins always do what they say.

Gemini is a mutable sign, which signifies change: a yang sign, which signifies motion: and an Air sign, which signifies the mind. In their quest for knowledge, Twins are always in motion, always alert, always trying to live not just two, but as many lives as they can, all at one time. Often called a dualistic sign, Twins are really deceptively simple: it's all based on avid curiosity, on finding things out and then quickly moving on to something else.

Twins have been called the Great Communicators, too, and with Mercury as their ruler, it's easy to see why. But sometimes words can mask meaning, and that's another paradox of Twins: meaning is not really want they're after; it's the ideas themselves.

Moon: Leo
Exuberant Moon in Leo has strong emotions and refuses to be limited by what it feels are narrow-minded or limiting ideas: it likes its heart to be in whatever it's doin. Leo Moons have an emotional nature that is usually both affectionate and outgoing, and often charismatic as well, but they can easily be hurt if they feel they're not being appreciated, which can be any time the spotlight's not shining on them. A natural performer and a hearty lover, Moon in Leo feels with its heart - strongly, openly, and joyfully

(it's so aggravating that they always say that Leos are attention whores because they're not. Maybe it just has to do with being good at something, anything at all, and someone, anyone, anytime, noticing it...)

Rising: LIbra
Look at Post #9


Are you familiar with Astrological Ages?
Not at all...

I don't know what the hell I am other than Libra.
If you give me your exact birth place and time, then I could give you much more information...as well as anyone else here...>)

Sun: Libra
Harmony. Balance. No one wants to even things out like a Libra. Libra begins at the autumnal equinox, a time when the length of the day equals the length of the night, and Scales strive for such balance in all they do. Libras know that although there's a time and place for doing things on your own, you can't do everything alone. Scales realize the need to cooperate with others to maintain equilibrium and stability, and connect heart and mind to achieve unity and peace.

Libras are charming, and their charm is primarily due to the rulership of Venus. Scales see everything from both sides and have a great appreciation for art and beauty. As a yang, cardinal sign, they generate a great deal of activity as well, especially in starting things, from diplomatic talks to friendships.

But Libra is an Air sign as well and, like all Air signs, has an active mind. In Scales' case, this takes the form of looking at one side and then the other, weighing everything over and over again. Like other cardinal signs, Libra seems constantly in motion, moving around and enjoying life.
 
^ 9/23/1994, I think it was 8:04 PM, Kentucky.

A good chunk of that describes me well in a generalized sense.
Well, this would make sense as it's basically "who you are." I mentioned it in the OP...somewhere.
I'm not going to place great accuracy in any result you get seeing as you're not sure of your time, but I'll do it anyway. However, I'm too tired right now to do it at this moment, so it will have to wait 'til tomorrow :(...I'll edit this post and tell you if you don't noticed...K? :)
 
Not at all...

Well, understanding it requires a rudimentary knowledge of the Earth's movement through the solar system. The bit you need to know is that the Earth's axial tilt isn't quite stable, and whereas the Earth rotates anti-clockwise, the Earth's axis rotates clockwise. This leads to the effect of the season's not quite fitting properly into a year (being slightly shorter).That makes the solstices and equinoxes move back slightly every year.

Now, on the midnight of the March equinox, the Earth faces a particular Zodiac constellation, and because the equinox is continuously moving backward, roughly every 2000-and-a-bit years, the Earth points to a new constellation. The ancients realised this and called it an Age, or Great Year. Right now we're just leaving the Age of Pisces, and entering the Age of Aquarius (remember that song?).

Now, I love the way the Bible is connected to this. Do you know the bit where Moses comes down the mountain with the commandments, and finds the Israelites worshipping a bull calf? He instructs them to kill each other in order to cleanse themselves. This story can be reduced to Moses (who represents Aries), killing the bull (who represents Taurus), or the Age of Taurus ending, and the Age of Aries beginning. It can also be dated to a time when this was happening, circa 1900 BC. People were still holding onto their worship of Taurus, even though the age had ended.

Then, Jesus comes along, born roughly 2000 years later, the Lamb of God, surrounded by sheperds. Coincidence? Then, suddenly he's all about fish. Making fish, teaching people to fish, making friends with fishermen, calling them his disciples, etc. Jesus represents the end of the Age of Aries, and the beginning of the Age of Pisces.

Then, when asked by his discpiples where the last passover will be, he replies, "Behold, when you are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he enters in." This obviously represents Aquarius, the next age in the precession cycle. He even says, in Matthew 28:20, "I will be with you until the end of the age." Telling, no?

I know that's not what you asked for, but this stuff really interests me.
 
No, it pretty much means "fake science." There's no proof behind it's actual genuineness.It's based off illogical relevance between people/the thing(s) they're studying.

My point is that one shouldn't use the term "pseudoscience" rather than "hogwash" because including the word "science" when dealing with Astrology is an affront to everything even remotely scientific.
 
My favourite Pseudo-science has got to be the **** Velikovski came up with. Man, he had some cool theories.