Don't deny it

[moonfever]

Re: Don't deny it

FIRST POST!

I'm having some trouble establishing just what exactly you have a problem with, seeing as your post is fairly chaotic, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

The main feature of Fable has always been (not just imo, but from what PM himself has said), the moral decisions you're going to face in the game. Like Goretex touched on, if you go into the game with a predetermined notion of, "my character will be" you're really not playing the game as intended. Futhermore, I chuckled a bit at the "being grotesque when evil = good, being grotesque when good = bad" logic. Honestly, the real heroes aren't always the burly, sword wielding, blue eyed wonders - And I think that's one of the things PM wants you as a player to feel, no?

Also, we're discussing the game in a purely good/evil context - Aren't there the additional scales that have to brought into the game as well? How do we know exactly how this all plays out? We don't, well not until we finally play the game ourselves. Maybe this choice takes place fairly early on, and you go from a state where people reject you for your appearance until eventually your good deeds make people look past something so unimportant. Just theories, but hey.

Personally I think this thread is good, seeing as PM has stated numerous times that he wants to player to feel something, to not just have the game be something thats white/black, and judging by the varying responses - He's succeeded already eh?

P.S No one's flinging insults around, at least not from what I can gather - Plus the fact that people are responding shows your opinion is valid and warrants discussion. Relax yo, .

Very well said. It's just different points of view.

 

[Sephiroxas]

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I think this is why real life is just real life and a video game is a video game. I thought they were made as an escape. I hate games that are so utterly realistic, it's stupid. Fable has magic and Mystery, that's why it always appealed to me.
Also, I wouldn't mod scars away. I don't think they're tedious. And when Peter said the number one rule was to not annoy you. He was talking about the AI of the dog. Not the AI of the whole video game.
Even if I do make a "bad choice" In my video game. I regret nothing. I either save before making the choice, or I just shrug it off, because I can't go back in time and fix it. I will not get ****ed off. You don't even know me. How can you know my temper and how I'll react to a video game? :O
I don't know what the big deal is either. The video game hasn't even come out yet. How can you judge how the moral decisions will pan out if you haven't even experienced it yourself. No ones forcing you to play this game. No ones forcing you to like it. =] But Game designers make the games THEY want. And if you don't like it well..Tough.. I'm sure peter isn't going to lose sleep at night because you won't play his video game if he "messes" up.

 

[Lionheart]

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and by the way, if anyone insults me, or disagrees with me, i will say nothing. because you cant throw a ball at a brick wall and not expect it to bounce back at you... if anyone here can actualy disprove what i have said, then i will back down with respect, and without a grudge

Then dont buy it :ninja:
Why type a whole page and open up a thread just to vent some anger its one choice get over it

 

[Tsuyu]

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I think this is why real life is just real life and a video game is a video game. I thought they were made as an escape. I hate games that are so utterly realistic, it's stupid. Fable has magic and Mystery, that's why it always appealed to me.
Also, I wouldn't mod scars away. I don't think they're tedious. And when Peter said the number one rule was to not annoy you. He was talking about the AI of the dog. Not the AI of the whole video game.
Even if I do make a "bad choice" In my video game. I regret nothing. I either save before making the choice, or I just shrug it off, because I can't go back in time and fix it. I will not get ****ed off. You don't even know me. How can you know my temper and how I'll react to a video game? :O
I don't know what the big deal is either. The video game hasn't even come out yet. How can you judge how the moral decisions will pan out if you haven't even experienced it yourself. No ones forcing you to play this game. No ones forcing you to like it. =] But Game designers make the games THEY want. And if you don't like it well..Tough.. I'm sure peter isn't going to lose sleep at night because you won't play his video game if he "messes" up.

Aww... you sound so cold, Markie. I'm sure you felt a little tingle in the old ticker when you harvested those Little Sisters in Bioshock? No? Yes? :'(

 

[Twilight]

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No need to be insulting.

Just meant in general =]

 

[SimonKalevra]

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all i will say to you, PM is this: if you mess this up.... i will not play it

on a positive note... this is my one and only complaint about this game

Hehe...
You have just one negative thing to say about this game, and that makes you not wanna play it?

I have tons of stuff I dont like about Fable II, but I still think it's awesome
Stuff like, mouth sync, the way you walk and run, when you bump into ppl., that it's not completely free roam (like for instance Oblivion), and much more...

I mean if Fable II was perfect in every sense of the word, well there'd be no point in making any other games - cause perfect can't be topped...

 

[Dentie]

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I think this is why real life is just real life and a video game is a video game. I thought they were made as an escape. I hate games that are so utterly realistic, it's stupid. Fable has magic and Mystery, that's why it always appealed to me.
Also, I wouldn't mod scars away. I don't think they're tedious. And when Peter said the number one rule was to not annoy you. He was talking about the AI of the dog. Not the AI of the whole video game.
Even if I do make a "bad choice" In my video game. I regret nothing. I either save before making the choice, or I just shrug it off, because I can't go back in time and fix it. I will not get ****ed off. You don't even know me. How can you know my temper and how I'll react to a video game? :O
I don't know what the big deal is either. The video game hasn't even come out yet. How can you judge how the moral decisions will pan out if you haven't even experienced it yourself. No ones forcing you to play this game. No ones forcing you to like it. =] But Game designers make the games THEY want. And if you don't like it well..Tough.. I'm sure peter isn't going to lose sleep at night because you won't play his video game if he "messes" up.

Well said =]

 

[jaconcox]

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lol at the end of the game youll probably be so scarred from dieing it wont even matter

 

[Nordberg]

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Good arguement. You are definately allowed to have your own opinion. I myself will let her be scared. Because of her stupidity I may even slaughter her after the cutscene. Correct me if I'm wrong, but somewhere I read that PM wanted it to be a struggle to be good and it to be somewhat easy to be evil. This may have been what he was talking about, but I think there is more to that. Also, you can let her be scared and then do all good deeds from there on out. Kind of like someone who "found god" again.

 

[Spartan Samuel]

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Please put a spoiler alert in the title for the scarring.

 

[Mobster]

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I deny it.

 

[moonfever]

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I deny it.

Ok.

 

[Jiin]

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i can agree with the 'evil=happy' thing

 

[Velez]

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In my opinion I believe that your personal opinion about this matter DOES NOT represent a majority of gamers. Why would you get ****ed at a game if it does something horrible to your character in return for a good deed? Your reaction should be like it would be in real life, feeling good that you did the right thing. Plus, you use the word "tedious" as if a tedious decision cannot also be a moral choice.

But your opinion is you opinion. And to quote Family Guy "O Reginaaald, I DISAGREE!" lol.

 

[hook coast god]

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alright, listen up, people. again, im not trying to insult anyone here. i thought that i made a mistake when i posted that topic... truth is, when i posted that topic, when i posted all of that **** up to my appology, i haddent gotten any sleep... now ive had time to sleep on it, and im going to tell you all how i really feel... am i really that ****ed off about this feature? no. is it a minor anoyance, in my opinion? yes... now before you start throwing bias all over the damn forum remember... i said opinion so nothing i said is wrong is my opinion... but yea, always goin off topic... yesterday i thought i was in error for posting the topic, when i was actualy in error for thinking anyone would agree at all... i was once part of a forum, or more accuratly put, i observed it. this guy was dissing all over this game, and everyone got onto him... i even created an account so i could diss on him too... well, i got that game a year later...... it sucks! you cant play perfect dark on the n64, and then pop in perfect dark zero... and tell me that perfect dark zero doesnt suck... that forum... is deserted now because the game sucks... that guy everyone was dissing on was right, and now one saw it coming... im not saying fable 2 is gonna suck, i think its gonna kick royal ass... my point is that you go into a forum dedicated to fan-boys... fan boys are gonna jump all over you for stating your opinions... and again, im not insulting you... i myself am a fanboy... but frankly, i dont need a forum to voice my fanboyness... thats why im leaving this piece... cuz i dont need it. i was any information, ill google it like i always do... i wanna play co-op, ill go to the damn online co-op lobby... i dont need to make nice with a bunch of people just so that i can play an online game, mainly because i prefer to play alone anyway... but my opinion still stands... i was tired, therefor, grumpy, so i went a little too far... but you cant say that this isnt a minor anoyance, but hell, what isnt these days? in any game worth playing, you're gonna get your ass kicked by something... and fable wasnt exactly known for is combat difficulty, lets be honist people... PM is making accessable, so theres your first sign... the combat clearly wont **** the average gamer off... but the moral choices will... and if you cant take a little heat, then get the hell out...
now, im gonna wrap this up... i noticed we had dark draken observing this forum... the reason i bring this up is because i dont want to be here anymore... i was gonna create a bunch of idiodic insults all over the forum to get myself banned, but that just isnt my style... so im asking... will someone please perminantly ban me? hell i broke a rule, i guess... i was acting a complete ass, and i curse too much, hows that... please ban me- thanks

 

[moonfever]

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Goodbye, hook coast god, see you on live. I didn't find you offensive. I never noticed much cussing. I mainly play alone also. I hope we aren't let down with Fable 2, but if I don't think positive about a game I love, it would break my heart. I loved Joanna, and when I heard how much the new game was horrible, it broke my heart and I didn't get it. I still play the original.
I'm sorry if you felt unwelcome.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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im gonna wrap this up... i noticed we had dark draken observing this forum... the reason i bring this up is because i dont want to be here anymore... i was gonna create a bunch of idiodic insults all over the forum to get myself banned, but that just isnt my style... so im asking... will someone please perminantly ban me? hell i broke a rule, i guess... i was acting a complete ass, and i curse too much, hows that... please ban me- thanks

Im here to make sure things dont get insulting and not to stop people posting opinions. For the record its Dark DrakAn by the way.

Also people dont get banned for stating their opinions as its merely a personal viewpoint. If you dont want to be here then dont be, but we arent going to ban you for stating an opinion.

 

[ali1238]

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very well. you have made your point, and it was a very good one. the fact that i agree with nothing you say, is irrelivant, because at the same time, you agree with nothing i say... so this is where i throw some argument and insult at you, and begin a never ending cycle of opinions being thrown around untill a moderator closes this thread. even after we throw our opinions around, read each others, and disagree with others... our own opinions will remain the same. the cold fact is that... i dont care what you think... it makes no difference to me one way or another, because you, likewise, do not care what i think. actualy, the purpose of this thread was to see if anyone else gave a damn, as i do... and since that theory has proven incorect, i will accept your words, accept this feature, and walk away

but yeah, whatever, im always going off topic and ranting. sorry about that, and sorry about this thread

If you dont care what others think then why post this topic or infact be involved in a (any)forum?

alright, listen up, people. again, im not trying to insult anyone here. i thought that i made a mistake when i posted that topic... truth is, when i posted that topic, when i posted all of that **** up to my appology, i haddent gotten any sleep... now ive had time to sleep on it, and im going to tell you all how i really feel... am i really that ****ed off about this feature? no. is it a minor anoyance, in my opinion? yes... now before you start throwing bias all over the damn forum remember... i said opinion so nothing i said is wrong is my opinion... but yea, always goin off topic... yesterday i thought i was in error for posting the topic, when i was actualy in error for thinking anyone would agree at all... i was once part of a forum, or more accuratly put, i observed it. this guy was dissing all over this game, and everyone got onto him... i even created an account so i could diss on him too... well, i got that game a year later...... it sucks! you cant play perfect dark on the n64, and then pop in perfect dark zero... and tell me that perfect dark zero doesnt suck... that forum... is deserted now because the game sucks... that guy everyone was dissing on was right, and now one saw it coming... im not saying fable 2 is gonna suck, i think its gonna kick royal ass... my point is that you go into a forum dedicated to fan-boys... fan boys are gonna jump all over you for stating your opinions... and again, im not insulting you... i myself am a fanboy... but frankly, i dont need a forum to voice my fanboyness... thats why im leaving this piece... cuz i dont need it. i was any information, ill google it like i always do... i wanna play co-op, ill go to the damn online co-op lobby... i dont need to make nice with a bunch of people just so that i can play an online game, mainly because i prefer to play alone anyway... but my opinion still stands... i was tired, therefor, grumpy, so i went a little too far... but you cant say that this isnt a minor anoyance, but hell, what isnt these days? in any game worth playing, you're gonna get your ass kicked by something... and fable wasnt exactly known for is combat difficulty, lets be honist people... PM is making accessable, so theres your first sign... the combat clearly wont **** the average gamer off... but the moral choices will... and if you cant take a little heat, then get the hell out...
now, im gonna wrap this up... i noticed we had dark draken observing this forum... the reason i bring this up is because i dont want to be here anymore... i was gonna create a bunch of idiodic insults all over the forum to get myself banned, but that just isnt my style... so im asking... will someone please perminantly ban me? hell i broke a rule, i guess... i was acting a complete ass, and i curse too much, hows that... please ban me- thanks

Wow, you were stating an opinion and well the majority disagreed with you. Its as simple as that. This forum has always lenient on swearing so its not too much of a problem doing that. I think your original point contradicted itself too much for me to take seriously (and lack of grammar, just use normal sentences)

 

[droded]

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How can anyone be bothered to read such a huge blob of unstructured, unpunctuated text?

 

[Dopesick]

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No one is claiming that your opinion is wrong, on the contrary actually:

"Also people dont get banned for stating their opinions as its merely a personal viewpoint."

"But your opinion is you opinion."

" You are definately allowed to have your own opinion."

You harp on about opinion a lot, and most of us here have a pretty good grasp of the concept mate, thing is - Opinions differ from person to person, hence I don't find the feature an annoyance at all while you do. No big deal really.

The fanboy comment was really uncalled for. No one's jumping down your throat and no one's taking an aggressive tone in this thread outside yourself. I think you'd find people would be more willing to listen if you could try a more civil and structured approach.

Anyway, cheers. Sad that you feel unwelcome.