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cheezMcNASTY

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For want of a discussion...

So, i just noticed how dead this place has been lately. Nothing gets people talking like a good discussion though so here goes:

I was talking to a friend a few nights back about a recent occurence in (american) football. An all-time record setting player, Michael Vick, was charged with running a large illegal dog fighting gambling business. Pretty much a kingpin of the business by the time they caught him. Although his cousins were running the actual business and he was just supplying funds for the profit gained from the gambling. Not that this excuses him.
Since then, he's done his time in jail and paid for every dog in the business to be rehabilitated and sent to new homes...even though some could not recover to normality. He also participated in a prison league. Now he's out, he's paid all he has and has plead bankruptcy to the court. He has done a lot of participation in supporting animal rights, and has done several speeches and seminars.
He then got traded to the Philadelphia Eagles (my hometeam) and everyone couldn't be more discontent. Philadelphia already has a pretty bad reputation, as it has the highest murder rate in the country (at least one murder on average a day). There is also evidense that the dog fighting in the state has gone up 400% since he was signed to the Eagles.

Do you think he deserves to play? Do you think that something like that can be forgivable after punishment judged in a court?

here's the story as posted on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Dog_fighting_investigations
 
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Philadelphia has the highest murder rate in the country? Really? Well thats pretty interesting, I would have thought it would be some place like New York or Chicago.

Oh, but back to the topic of the thread. As far as I'm concered, He and everyone involved in that kind of cruelty can (and should) be hanged. Griffin out.
 
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TJ Griffin;340387 said:
Oh, but back to the topic of the thread. As far as I'm concered, He and everyone involved in that kind of cruelty can (and should) be hanged. Griffin out.

I don't entirelly agree with you there, I think people should have a second chance.

First time doing a cruelty crime = Mnay years in jail including weekly lashes and crappy food.
Second time = Execution.
 
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^I didn't mean every crime, I wouldn't execute a guy for stealing a toy, minor crimes are jail, major/cruel crimes have my above factor, fatal crimes result in execution.
 
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Firis;340431 said:
^I didn't mean every crime, I wouldn't execute a guy for stealing a toy, minor crimes are jail, major/cruel crimes have my above factor, fatal crimes result in execution.
Does the fact that he may have only been an investor change your stance? The only proof is that he owned the land and paid for the business. Most of it was actually run by his cousins among other people. Is using something for profitable gains equally bad?
 
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cheezMcNASTY;340439 said:
Does the fact that he may have only been an investor change your stance? The only proof is that he owned the land and paid for the business. Most of it was actually run by his cousins among other people. Is using something for profitable gains equally bad?

If he was aware of what was going on and continued to fund and profit from it anyway, he is just as bad as the people actually doing the abuse.
 
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ScareCrowReturn;340496 said:
The first post, abut Michael Vick. That happened along time ago.. Its not recent.. So yeeeeah.

Dog fighting isn't very nice..

yeah, it happened a long time ago, but recently he was discharged and now he's playing in the national league again almost as though it never happened.
 
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TJ Griffin;340387 said:
Philadelphia has the highest murder rate in the country? Really? Well thats pretty interesting, I would have thought it would be some place like New York or Chicago.

Oh, but back to the topic of the thread. As far as I'm concered, He and everyone involved in that kind of cruelty can (and should) be hanged. Griffin out.

I agree. It would stop such from happening, or at the very least, vastly reduce the amount of this activity.

And no, I don't mean just dogs in general, I know many people in the world eat dogs and such, even cats. I mean just extreme cruelty towards any kind of animal.
 
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Skotekal;340756 said:
I know many people in the world eat dogs and such, even cats. I mean just extreme cruelty towards any kind of animal.

So what about when you eat steak or chicken?

It should be punished very much. If they whipped the dogs then whip them and put them in jail for quite a few years. if they continue it kill them, if that happens more people will be scared of dieing and such and stop.
 
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^Read carefully, he is saying that eating the animals isn't the cruelty crime, it is torturing them that is, steak and chicken are yummy, and I guess dog is too (No personal experience) but it is basicaly that is their life choice, they kill them humanely (Usualy)
 
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Firis;340780 said:
^Read carefully, he is saying that eating the animals isn't the cruelty crime, it is torturing them that is, steak and chicken are yummy, and I guess dog is too (No personal experience) but it is basicaly that is their life choice, they kill them humanely (Usualy)

While usually the real way they kill them in the mass produced way is inhumane because:
they hang then by their foot they knock them out but by the time the butcher actually gets to them they are conscious again.

But yeah, harming animals in any way is should not only be severely punished, but the person doing it is a sick, sick person.
 
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^So I take it you are a Vegetarian? If so you have no place in derailing this thread, it wasn't even about eating animals until you poitned it out. Just chill.
 
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Firis;340786 said:
^So I take it you are a Vegetarian? If so you have no place in derailing this thread, it wasn't even about eating animals until you poitned it out. Just chill.

I know and no i'm not vegetarian, the poor animals are already dead nothing can bring them back :'(

besides i kept my posts relevant :/