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Is this really true..?

Shirosaki

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Is this really true..?

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The 3 strikes and you're out thing. And the psuedo-slavery.
 
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It is well-known that the American prison system is retardedly harsh, with varying degree of harshness depending on state. It is also well-known that the Swedish prison is retardedly lenient. Yuck...
 
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Yes, the three strike rule is real, but I'm pretty sure it's just for felonies. And nobody's going to get thrown in prison for stealing cookies or video tapes. They do make you work if you're locked up though. I think it's just in harsher prisons though, and I had no idea they made that much stuff.
 
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If Stephen Fry says it, it must be true.

The prison in Swansea, for the amount of work you do you can earn tokens to buy or rent games consoles and games. Prison here is like a paradise. Lovely view of the sea, too.
 
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Yes it's true, there is a three strike law (which was taken from Baseball) but it is not for all the states here and is only a law in 24 of the states. It varies from those 24 states, for some in order to be sentenced to life all three felonies have to be violent crimes (murder, assault, etc). Others (such as California) simply require the first two felonies to be violent crimes... any crime conviction from that point on will net you 25-years to life, even if you harmlessly shoplifted a small bag of cookies.

American prisons aren't as harsh as people make them out to be, prisoner treatment has greatly changed over the years. There are American prisons these days that have many luxuries to look forward to, such as tennis courts, gyms, healthy meals, television, internet, music, etc. Some states here of course don't tolerate that, and there are special prisons (supermax) for the more serious offenders.

America pales in comparison to the punishment in Syria though, they have the worst prison system of them all (brutality, executions, and torture are the norm), horrible human rights, and terrible politics.
 
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For stealing cookies you get 25+ years. Cute. Whose the ****** who made this stuff up?
 
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Sean;408465 said:
For stealing cookies you get 25+ years. Cute. Whose the ****** who made this stuff up?

If you had two serious or violent (or both) crimes before your third felony conviction. Any felony conviction after those two regardless of how serious it is, can get you life.

Also, post edited (yours), lets cut back on the offensive language here.
 
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Whoa, my bad for ever doubting the omniscient Stephen Fry.

That's quite disturbing though, and I thought jails were supposed to be filling up to capacity or something? Isn't there some kind of human rights thing that should be going on with the psuedo-slave labour too?
 
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Shirosaki;408475 said:
Whoa, my bad for ever doubting the omniscient Stephen Fry.

That's quite disturbing though, and I thought jails were supposed to be filling up to capacity or something? Isn't there some kind of human rights thing that should be going on with the psuedo-slave labour too?

There is an over-population issue still going on here, and one of the acts being done to remedy it is by releasing the detainees who have the least serious crimes on their record. They say that more than 20 prisons will likely have to be built in order contain all the offenders.

Syria in comparison to Guantanamo Bay is a bit worse. There are people who have been detained for not actually doing anything serious, activists have been arrested, bloggers, etc. The detainees are often tortured and sometimes killed, there were detainees from Gitmo Bay who would prefer to stay in Gitmo than to return to the prisons in Western Asia & Africa. Plus, from what I remember.. Gitmo has recreational activities such as basketball, board games, libraries, etc.

The convict labor is normally used to reeducate prisoners and usually serves no other purpose than to do just that, borderlining torture. In response to the controversial ways of this labor, some prisons have allowed for inmates to get jobs to earn a little bit of money (resulting in rewards, such as purchasing luxuries), keep them productive, out of trouble, and also allows for fitness improvement to cut down on health issues.
 
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I'm pretty sure we have a similar system. If someone commits a serious offence (such as murder) then does something like shoplifting, they'll go straight back to prison.

I'm positive that's what I learnt in school somewhere.
 
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Gikoku Harakami;408474 said:
If you had two serious or violent (or both) crimes before your third felony conviction. Any felony conviction after those two regardless of how serious it is, can get you life.

Also, post edited (yours), lets cut back on the offensive language here.

That is true, but still I think they should look into how bad the crime is.

And sorry lol, didn't know the word I used was offensive and vulgar like that.
 
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So how long you in for?
10 years, you?
25, what did you do?
Murder, you?
Stole a cookie.
 
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Hermit;408607 said:
So how long you in for?
10 years, you?
25, what did you do?
Murder, you?
Stole a cookie.
But you left out the part where you stabbed 3 guys to get to them, and they were chocolate chip too. No jury in the land would have convicted, I didn't think.
 
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Necromancer11;408406 said:
And nobody's going to get thrown in prison for stealing cookies or video tapes.

They just send you to Australia for things like that.
 
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Gikoku Harakami;408501 said:
There is an over-population issue still going on here, and one of the acts being done to remedy it is by releasing the detainees who have the least serious crimes on their record. They say that more than 20 prisons will likely have to be built in order contain all the offenders.

Syria in comparison to Guantanamo Bay is a bit worse. There are people who have been detained for not actually doing anything serious, activists have been arrested, bloggers, etc. The detainees are often tortured and sometimes killed, there were detainees from Gitmo Bay who would prefer to stay in Gitmo than to return to the prisons in Western Asia & Africa. Plus, from what I remember.. Gitmo has recreational activities such as basketball, board games, libraries, etc.

The convict labor is normally used to reeducate prisoners and usually serves no other purpose than to do just that, borderlining torture. In response to the controversial ways of this labor, some prisons have allowed for inmates to get jobs to earn a little bit of money (resulting in rewards, such as purchasing luxuries), keep them productive, out of trouble, and also allows for fitness improvement to cut down on health issues.


You do realise you are comparing America the beacon of 'justice' to a third world nation. This just further shows the sorry state of American prisons.

American prisons are doing nothing for the felons to rehabilitate them selves, when they get out they are just going to commit crimes again.

Also Guantanamo bay has held countless innocent people and is'nt anywhere near close to what you have described,

"On a couple of occasions I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water," an unidentified FBI agent wrote on Aug. 2, 2004. "Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more."
 
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"Prison's are nothing more than universities of crime, where criminals go to get better at their various disciplines." - Spoonman.

Spoonman: Get on that ****.