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Kids and gaming - what do you think?

Well, basically over at the official Xbox forums I got into a heated discussion about a mom who let her 8 years-old kid play Gears of War, albeit with the gore and stuff turned off.

She says she is fine with it, because it won't make her kid into a mass murderer who goes about chainsawing people because the kid can tell the difference between game and reality. This is my reply;

My cool alter-ego TehSlave said:
The fact that just because you chainsaw someone in Gears of War, it doesn't make you a mass murderer is one of my core beliefs. Unlike what some certain people who blame things like the Columbine school massacre on video games believe.

But that it is something I am not comfortable with a little kid seeing/experiencing is also one of them.

So whilst I don't think it is damaging or making the kid into some sort of psycho, I still don't feel it is something they should see/experience. Get my point?

I have a 9 years-old brother and he is very capable of telling the difference between game and reality, but I still kick him out of my room when I play Gears of War.

What's your opinion on this?
 
Re: Kids and gaming - what do you think?

Yeah, I agree. We all know what it's like to be young, so you know kids can tell the difference, but it isn't really that good to let them play games like that. They really shouldn't be experiencing those kinds of things.
 
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kinda wrong as ive been playing games most of my life and im not blood stained
 
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The price of innocence in this day and age is pretty cheap. When I was that age, I was playing Dragon Warrior 1 and Rampage on the NES. Zelda had me in rapture for a long time. If someone had sat me down and had played Halo 2 or Doom or FEAR, I doubt I would have had any farking clue what was really going on. In fact, with Doom and FEAR, I would have probably been scared witless. A child's mind often can't deal with violence or psychological terror nearly as well as an adults. It also cheapens feelings of sympathy and humanity.

If a kid started playing violent games like FEAR and Doom at an age of six, and grew up playing that kind of genre, I personally think that child would be more callous towards human life than if they had not been exposed to those types later in life (at age 14, they can truly recognize that games are not reality.)

This kind of discussion also brings up something similar, whether children should be allowed to listen to music laden with swears, racism, sex, violent actions, guns, bad lifestyle choices, etc. Would a child who started listening to that sort of music grow up thinking swearing was acceptable? Would smacking ho's be second nature? Would crack cocaine find it's way into the young person's nose? Or would he grow up to be a perfectly normal, contributing member of society?

I'm not talking about how it's the parent's responsibility to know what their kids are doing (because it is). I guess I think that exposing children to violent, sexual, graphic, scary images, videos, games, and music will lessen their chances of being a good human being, with compassion for their fellow man, and better society as a whole.
 
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i know i was so sure i didnt give a damn about violence but first time i saw rising dead, the realistic pictures...uhgggg still gross but no scary any more
 
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I thought I expressed my opinion on this before? *Runs to find post in old thread*

Here we are:

my alter-ego Master of Seagulls;105217 said:
I agree 100% Tsuyu! Come on people, if we have more kids playing violent video games then we won't need the Police Force! The Military! Who knows, we could send kids to war because the things they witness in the games will desensitize them, making them fearsome barbaric warriors with little or no mercy... That may have just been the single greatest idea in the history of the universe.
 
Re: Kids and gaming - what do you think?

I agree with you Tsuyu, when I was 8 or 9, my parents wouldn't let me play anything more violent than Zelda :lol: Like you said, exposing a child to that early in life just makes them believe that it is the norm.
 
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Right...here I go.


When I was 8, and I have to admit, I was not the gorey person I am now. There was one movie, a bit of Nightmare On Elms Street, the first horror movie I saw....but that was it. Instead, I went outside, there's a forest in my back yard where I played on the creek, and I would jump of the rocks and climb on this huge boulder, instead of ripping a locust head off with a chainsaw gun.

My dad never wanted me to watch those kinds of things, or play them. Sometimes, he wouldn't let me. But I came to realize what he wanted me to have. A great childhood, one that I always remembered, without gore or violence. But for the ones who did, i'm not saying you wouldn't go outside, what i'm saying is that's what I did instead of watching gorey games and movies.

But you know, I hate how channels like Disney Channel are covering up the truth or life. And I feel we're lieing to our children, our teenagers like me (i'm 17), etc. Our world is full of wars, people blowing up eachother, people dieing that shouldn't have to die, guns that shoot at guns, tanks destroying civilizations, innocent people dieing on both of the invisible sides of good and evil, I knew though. But there's a fine line between political subjects such as War, and useless gore and violence such as Saw. All that would tell me is, "If I were in that situation, I would be screwed"

Furthermore, games don't cause people to kill. let alone cause gore and violence outside the game. It's like a gun, in the way that it's the owners fault, not the game. If I played games that are quote on quote "Cause violence"...then why do I hang on my couch all morning instead of shooting people with a gun? *I'm a lazy morning person*

Don't get me wrong, being an adult (Almost..but I consider to be one now in my book ;) ), most of my whole collection of games are M (scratch that, alot are T..but what the hell). Some of those have gore. And I'm totally fine with it. But theres a long age difference between 8..and 17. Not just years, but phases. The movies you watch, your hobbies, puberty, girls, etc. I thought later in time was the right time to start, because I was adjusted to the setting and frame of games, and movies. When I was 8, alot of people liked gore...they thought it was 'cool'. But I never wanted to be 'cool'...I just wanted to do what I felt was right, but most importantly what I wanted to do...not what other people wanted to do.

So for you mothers out there that allow your 8 year old kids to play M games, all power to you! But make sure your kid knows its just a game..they should enjoy it, but not do what it does...it it involves gore.

And for the eight year olds (or younger) on this forum..remember. It's the owner, not the game. Not matter what age. It's how you react to it. And if you do become violent, don't blame the game. There's a rating system for a reason, and that's YOU who makes it a reality. For example, Dick Cheney played Hunting Season and shot his friend...wait, no, that's just him being insane.:getlost:

Kids should have a good childhood, not one where they're mesmorized in violence. If they can handle it, power to them, but they need to realize how short being a kid is. I mean, save the violence for being an adult. Don't worry, kids, you'll get enough violence from channels such as Fox news. Unless they're showing Paris Hilton. ;)

-LHT
(And I still go out to the forest, but now I don't act like i'm spiderman):lol:
 
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I watched a programme the other night about Kids TV being on trial...all my old favourites were on there like Byker Grove, Children's Ward and Grange Hill before it got crap...what I noticed about these programmes is that back in the day (1989 onwards) issues like death, extreme violence, drug use, sexual abuse and the like were handled with tact, depth and maturity but were still befitting a child's emotional and mental capabilities...we saw the little boy take LSD and nearly jump off the roof, but we were shocked and gripped by it, not blase and "oh jump, dammit!". I believe that this is because somewhere along the line, it has somehow become more acceptable these days to show everything and anything on TV and that has seeped into our gaming industry. Long gone are the days when a couple of 2D aliens turned up, aimed badly in your direction and then when you hit them they simply disappeared...the modern gamer wants gritty realism when he/she is going to kill someone and more and more younger children are subject to the kinds of games reserved for adult audiences because they have older siblings/dads/friends who have these games. Many of the concepts are lost on kids - of course they are - and we can't shield our children forever. However, to actively put our children in a place whereby they are offered the opportunity to watch and particiapte in the act of ripping someone's head off, eating its heart and burning people alive or whatever, to me is tantamount to child abuse. Allowing a child to watch sexually gratuitous images whether on TV or in gaming is child abuse - kids have been taken into care because of things like this, believe it or not. Why subject your kids to too much information too soon? Is it necessary for them to "know" everything now?

Of course a lot can depend on the age of the child, the maturity of the child and blah blah blah...fact is, those little age restriction labels are there for a damn good reason and people should pay attention to that. Our morbid curiosity with anything that promises new ways to die is bound to capture the imagination of (particularly) little boys everywhere but we've got a duty to ensure they do not get their little mitts on the stuff until they are old enough to make an informed decision.

It isn't right that children should watch certain images and feel nothing - they should feel enraged, appalled, passionate - anything but numb. The lack of humanity shown in certain video games should not be considered the norm and if a child should happen across a video game that is unpleasant, then it should damn well affect them, not desensitise them. I'd rather a gaming incident where my kid playing something she shouldn't have done gives her a nightmare than it simply rolls off her back like it's nothing...and the same with TV.

No, kids aren't all going to grow up as chainsaw wielding lunatics, but they could grow up with a lack of compassion, humanity, sympathy and understanding of consequences. They don't need guns or chainsaws to do that...

Violence aside, people are also forgetting the sexualisation of kids through gaming as well - girls dressed in very little and owned by one man, scenes of abuse and dreams of sexual frustration manifesting themselves in violent acts...these are all things found in certain games and are just as damaging as violence. I cannot watch certain scenes in the Silent Hill series as they are too disturbing for me - ok, yeah, that's mainly to do with my background, but still - would you allow your kid to play and watch that? It might not turn them all into rapists or whatever but their concept of sex, relationships and interaction with the opposite sex can become skewed by images like these...

Ok, I'll stop rambling now :lol:
 
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I aggree...I had a great childhood, without useless gore and violence in my entertainment system. And I hope my kid will be just the same. But for now, i'll just continue playing the games that I like to play, whether they're E or M. But people should live their childhood with what they want to do, adventure for me, they shouldn't have to play what everyone else is playing just because it's 'cool'.

And hey, if they want to play a gorey game, go ahead. But my childhood was with the good 'ol Zelda and Mario, not Gears and Locust. It's how you handle a game, no matter what age. Playing a 'Mature' game doesn't make you mature, but knowing what you're playing and handling the experience is the matureness of it all.

I think that gaming companies shouldn't have to sell sex on their games. Fable 2 might have it, but there's a fine line between realism and just banging someone for the hell of it. This all goes back to the word 'Intelligence'. In the sims, you would have sex to have a kid...in GTA, you would because you're an ***. Kids shouldn't have to experience this, atleast at their age. The younger the person, the more vulnerable they are to gorey and violent games and movies.
 
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To me the main difference is in the level of involvement of the parent and the maturity of the child. My guess is that there is a strong correlation between those two things. People are most influenced by the things that are closest to them in there lives. As a parent of a 7 year old I am very careful to regulate what she sees in the games. Yes I let her play Fable but she's not allowed to leave the towns and I'm there with her the whole time. She loves the book quest. I would never let her play a game like Darkness. She does like Overlord though. I won't let her see the Unicorns in that one. Mostly we play Viva Piñata and Star Wars Legos and occasionally Shrek 2 (parts of that are scary to her). The big things are: I'm there with her; I know what she can handle and what she can't; and we talk about it before during and after playing. We even play other games away from the console that stem from the games with a dash of imagination and a spirit of adventure. To sum up if the parents are involved and not just sitting there kids down in front of whatever game the kids are playing then they can make personal decisions that are appropriate for their child(ren).
 
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Albion Knight;119592 said:
To me the main difference is in the level of involvement of the parent and the maturity of the child. My guess is that there is a strong correlation between those two things. People are most influenced by the things that are closest to them in there lives. As a parent of a 7 year old I am very careful to regulate what she sees in the games. Yes I let her play Fable but she's not allowed to leave the towns and I'm there with her the whole time. She loves the book quest. I would never let her play a game like Darkness. She does like Overlord though. I won't let her see the Unicorns in that one. Mostly we play Viva Piñata and Star Wars Legos and occasionally Shrek 2 (parts of that are scary to her). The big things are: I'm there with her; I know what she can handle and what she can't; and we talk about it before during and after playing. We even play other games away from the console that stem from the games with a dash of imagination and a spirit of adventure. To sum up if the parents are involved and not just sitting there kids down in front of whatever game the kids are playing then they can make personal decisions that are appropriate for their child(ren).
I aggree...and you seem like a killer dad, AK ;)
 
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ive seen saving private ryan

Not much more is goryer than that.
 
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What i Believe the problem is, is that Hardcore games, DVD's, Music etc, is becoming more and more easily accesable. Instead, of kids age being questioned, they are just given out a copy of a game which its content is to mature for a kid to understand.

Also some Parents and siblings are giving them material not suited to them. So they play or watch unsupervised and only see the killing, and hatred, and get a buzz from that, and are rewarded. This tells the kid that this is acceptable behaviour. I'm not saying that all kids think its then acceptabe to go round chopping heads off. but a small minority do, and those are the ones heard about.

But generally it bad for even the ones unheard of. I think people, Parents, TV, Gaming and the media need a bit of a clean up. Some restraint on it in general, so that kids remain away from such scenes, or have them explained to them if they do catch a glimpse of the gritty world.

I don't know if i made any sence there but its a complicated subject, and my views on it are hard to explain in genral.
 
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-Ravan-;119657 said:
What i Believe the problem is, is that Hardcore games, DVD's, Music etc, is becoming more and more easily accesable. Instead, of kids age being questioned, they are just given out a copy of a game which its content is to mature for a kid to understand.

I don't know about that so much, I'm 17 and ever since I was 14 I was being questioned about my age. I still get questioned and I have to show ID... It ****es me off!
 
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I think it just depends on the content of the game, the maturity of the child, and how strict the parent is...
 
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hell, the truth is, everyone who isnt a total ar-tard knows games are fake, in fact thats why they make games like GOW, so u can do stuff like that.. duh :wacko:. and if u partake in suicidal mass murder your a freaking tard and you should die anyway. i mean your goin to hell, and all your psycho friends are waiting. so if u plan on doin it. just go into a corner and shoot yourself. while us normal people kill innocent PIXEL PEOPLE!!
 
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I didn't play my first video game until I was about 10 when my brother and I got a NES for chrissie, Super Mario to be exact (though if someone was being really petty maybe they could argue even then it could of tried to affect children minds. 'Magic' mushrooms for example). The most violent thing we ever ended up owning on that was Alien 3. An 8 bit chest burster isn't exactly a scary thing, then or now.

While parents may not be able to control what happens outside there own homes, they can control what their kids watch and play under their own roof. What's the point of putting a rating on the game if some folks will let their kid play it anyway? Defeats the purpose doen't it? I know when I was eight years old there would be no way my mum would have let me play any of the games I do know. Doom, Mortal Kombat, The Suffering, Resident Evil etc.

Ravan also brings up a good point, it isn't just games. Movies, music etc also have the same problem. When my father could actually be bothered to spend time with my bro and I (my folks divorced when I was about 2) he never gave a damn what we saw. He'd let us watch anything from the Care Bears to Robocop and Aliens. I can only rember twice when a film actually scared me, the chest burster killing the dog in A3, I think I was about 7 and I couldn't understand why the rottie had to die. Another movie called Scared To Death, I think that's what it was called anyway. After about 30 minutes and 2 or 3 dead people later I couldn't watch it anymore, so I went to bed and dreamed about pink and blue fluffy things with big anime like eyes.

Now days it's not how scary a movie is becuase there is no such thing for me anymore, it how gorey it gets. The only time I ever feel any sort of empathy provoked from a movie is if an animal gets hurt, like in Braveheart and all the horses get impaled when their ridden into the spears.

In the end maybe it comes down to humans having this internal urge to destroy each other, it's in our nature. Some people just have it closer to the surface than others. Those who want to argue differently, that's great but I ask you, why the hell do we war with each other so damn often over something that is essentially difference of opinion? If it wasn't we wouldn't have games etc like this. For most of us it gives us a way to do all these nasty horrible things without getting into trouble or putting ourselves in harms way.

Did any of that make semse to anyone else? If it didn't I appologise. Sometimes I find it difficult to put down what I want to get across in words, I know I kind of went off on a bit of a ramble, but that's what I do.
 
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