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I badly want proper stealth and pickpocketing hey even poisons sneak up behind the mark raid his pockets then waste him and drop him in a ditch or something.
I badly want proper stealth and pickpocketing hey even poisons sneak up behind the mark raid his pockets then waste him and drop him in a ditch or something.
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It doesn't matter if orcs are the creations of Tolkien or not, I'm dead tired of 'em. The use of orcs as the bad creatures are practically used up (along with elves, dwarves, and gnomes/hobbits) Thats one of the reasons why Fable was so interesting. No stereotype elves, dwarfes, orcs, etc...
I liked the innovation. Balverines are subsitutes of werewolfes (and wargs), and the baddest creature of all (Jack of Blades) was not more than a tiny man with a creepy voice.
This is definately not like Tolkien-tales, but more fairytales from my perspective. (bloody ones of course). Like something the Grimm brothers could have collected. Orcs and elves would taint the good old Albion.
It doesn't matter if orcs are the creations of Tolkien or not, I'm dead tired of 'em. The use of orcs as the bad creatures are practically used up (along with elves, dwarves, and gnomes/hobbits) Thats one of the reasons why Fable was so interesting. No stereotype elves, dwarfes, orcs, etc...
I liked the innovation. Balverines are subsitutes of werewolfes (and wargs), and the baddest creature of all (Jack of Blades) was not more than a tiny man with a creepy voice.
This is definately not like Tolkien-tales, but more fairytales from my perspective. (bloody ones of course). Like something the Grimm brothers could have collected. Orcs and elves would taint the good old Albion.
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Warning: Tolkien argument response from me and quote of Hex's below. Very long. Oh, and a response to Andre, too.
No, because no zombie (that I know of) except for Shelley's is a literate, verbose, eloquent-type of monster. On the other hand, a lot of the other ARE very similar to the Romero/Resident Evil mindless monsters. Also, few of the other types of zombies went exactly as their makers wanted... which Frankenstein's did, excpet that he purposely made something that looked monstrous and scared him.
Time travel is so genericized that, although you COULD argue that it's all a knockoff of H.G. (not Orson, not that that has anything to fo with this. And I think that Welles has a second "e" in his last name) Wells, I wouldn't really say so. There are so many time travel books using so many different premises (from the very similar to the vastly different) that I just don't qualify it that way.
And no, Midsummer's Night Dream is not, from what I know of it, a Tolkien-oid fantasy. Shakepeare's fairies are more traditional English fairies, vastly different from Tolkien's view of the elves and the goblins. What I'm saying is that if any author uses Tolkien's versions of the creatures (well, excepting humans) it's going to seem a knockoff simply because before he came along they were all vastly different.
And the whole genre of Epic Fantasy was begun by him. As you said, you could say that H.G. Wells, or Jules Verne did the same for sci-fi or even specific branches of sci-fi... but still, there are diferences. The advance of science can change the genres of older sci-fi works, the way future history become alternate history; or regular sci-fi become neo-steampunk; or plain the conventions of the genre change.
But epic fantasy today is nearly identical to that of yesterday. Sure, changing social conventions might change things-- today you'd be more likely to, for instance, have openly gay characters; things like that, but at its core epic fantasy doesn't change that much. There's a general set of races, many derived from Tolkien's, and there's even the fairly generic basic "Let's-go-on-a-quest-to-destroy/retrieve/defeat/evade/find/rescue-someone/something/somepeople/somethings" or "let's-have-our-huge-good-versus-evil-war" plots.
Even the created languages seem to be derived from Tolkien's a bit in their "feel." Dwarvish is guttural, elvish all pretty-like, orcish harsh. Hell, Tolkien even created "dwarvish" and "elvish". Before it was "dwarfish" and "elfin." I mean, sure he rally wanted dwarrow and elves, to replace dwarfs and elfs; but dwarves and elves are still better.
But dammit, I come back from a long, inexplicable absence and what's the first thing I do? Continue an argument with Hex. Dammit, there's something wrong with that!
Yeah, I agree. Epic fantasy is Tolkienistic enough already... every one doesn't need to imitate his races, too. I love the fact that Fable is devoid of elves, orcs, goblins, hobbits, and dwarves. Yes, you could say that hobbes are dwarf-orcs or goblins, but aside from that.
Oh, and I hope that the Guards are slightly more persistent-- but only slightly. One or two will follow you away from the town, and you can then kill them (and they'll respawn back at the town but not keep chasing you) or they'll eventually give up and go back. This'd be even cooler if it temporarily left the town with fewer guards, and hence easier to rob blind if you snuck past back the guards chasing you. Or teleported.
Warning: Tolkien argument response from me and quote of Hex's below. Very long. Oh, and a response to Andre, too.
Doc Hex said:so then any work with Vampires in it is a Bram Stoker knockoff?
any work with zombies is a Mary Shelly knockoff?
any work with time travel is a Wells knockoff?
come on now... I should certainly hope that all one needs to create his work is more than simply having orcs... and if it is that recreating one simple aspect of it can not be said to be a "knockoff"...
if it were then my pants could be called Calvin Klein knockoffs simply because they both have buttons
and as for having fantasy characters making it a Tolkien knockoff, I suppose you would have me believe that William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Nights Dream is a Tolkien knockoff...
Riiiight...
No, because no zombie (that I know of) except for Shelley's is a literate, verbose, eloquent-type of monster. On the other hand, a lot of the other ARE very similar to the Romero/Resident Evil mindless monsters. Also, few of the other types of zombies went exactly as their makers wanted... which Frankenstein's did, excpet that he purposely made something that looked monstrous and scared him.
Time travel is so genericized that, although you COULD argue that it's all a knockoff of H.G. (not Orson, not that that has anything to fo with this. And I think that Welles has a second "e" in his last name) Wells, I wouldn't really say so. There are so many time travel books using so many different premises (from the very similar to the vastly different) that I just don't qualify it that way.
No idea what you mean by that, so I'll ignore it.Doc Hex said:
And no, Midsummer's Night Dream is not, from what I know of it, a Tolkien-oid fantasy. Shakepeare's fairies are more traditional English fairies, vastly different from Tolkien's view of the elves and the goblins. What I'm saying is that if any author uses Tolkien's versions of the creatures (well, excepting humans) it's going to seem a knockoff simply because before he came along they were all vastly different.
And the whole genre of Epic Fantasy was begun by him. As you said, you could say that H.G. Wells, or Jules Verne did the same for sci-fi or even specific branches of sci-fi... but still, there are diferences. The advance of science can change the genres of older sci-fi works, the way future history become alternate history; or regular sci-fi become neo-steampunk; or plain the conventions of the genre change.
But epic fantasy today is nearly identical to that of yesterday. Sure, changing social conventions might change things-- today you'd be more likely to, for instance, have openly gay characters; things like that, but at its core epic fantasy doesn't change that much. There's a general set of races, many derived from Tolkien's, and there's even the fairly generic basic "Let's-go-on-a-quest-to-destroy/retrieve/defeat/evade/find/rescue-someone/something/somepeople/somethings" or "let's-have-our-huge-good-versus-evil-war" plots.
Even the created languages seem to be derived from Tolkien's a bit in their "feel." Dwarvish is guttural, elvish all pretty-like, orcish harsh. Hell, Tolkien even created "dwarvish" and "elvish". Before it was "dwarfish" and "elfin." I mean, sure he rally wanted dwarrow and elves, to replace dwarfs and elfs; but dwarves and elves are still better.
But dammit, I come back from a long, inexplicable absence and what's the first thing I do? Continue an argument with Hex. Dammit, there's something wrong with that!
Andre OK said:This is definately not like Tolkien-tales, but more fairytales from my perspective. (bloody ones of course). Like something the Grimm brothers could have collected. Orcs and elves would taint the good old Albion.
Yeah, I agree. Epic fantasy is Tolkienistic enough already... every one doesn't need to imitate his races, too. I love the fact that Fable is devoid of elves, orcs, goblins, hobbits, and dwarves. Yes, you could say that hobbes are dwarf-orcs or goblins, but aside from that.
Oh, and I hope that the Guards are slightly more persistent-- but only slightly. One or two will follow you away from the town, and you can then kill them (and they'll respawn back at the town but not keep chasing you) or they'll eventually give up and go back. This'd be even cooler if it temporarily left the town with fewer guards, and hence easier to rob blind if you snuck past back the guards chasing you. Or teleported.
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Walker, would you please stop editing my quotes to say Doc Hex, that's not my name, my name is Hexadecimal
Walker, would you please stop editing my quotes to say Doc Hex, that's not my name, my name is Hexadecimal
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it just seems rather patronizing and mocking when you change my quotes...
so thanks
anyhoo... what I would like to see for Fable 2 is for the A.I. to show more respect...
they either run away or cheer, but never respect... all the rest of the times they're calling you a lemon or something
I'd like to get a little bowing and scraping, with some "sir"s thrown my way :devil:
Walker;137061 said:
it just seems rather patronizing and mocking when you change my quotes...
so thanks
anyhoo... what I would like to see for Fable 2 is for the A.I. to show more respect...
they either run away or cheer, but never respect... all the rest of the times they're calling you a lemon or something
I'd like to get a little bowing and scraping, with some "sir"s thrown my way :devil:
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I would like some running in depth side stories like if there was more on Briar Rose or Thunder and their history. I guess I'm wanting more depth on the NPCs with names
I would like some running in depth side stories like if there was more on Briar Rose or Thunder and their history. I guess I'm wanting more depth on the NPCs with names
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depth on the NPC's? :lol:
I'd be happy with some depth on the main character :lol:
for ****'s sake, he doesn't even have a name... I'd like to somehow find out something about my past and who I am...
but when the hero doesn't even get a name I think hoping NPC's will have a story might unfortunately be too much to hope for =]
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depth on the NPC's? :lol:
I'd be happy with some depth on the main character :lol:
for ****'s sake, he doesn't even have a name... I'd like to somehow find out something about my past and who I am...
but when the hero doesn't even get a name I think hoping NPC's will have a story might unfortunately be too much to hope for =]
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i have an idea! what if in adition to having "unconditional love" you have "unconditional hate." think about it, when you kill somones mates, no one is just going to let it go, no one is going to scream and run in fear of you, people are going to pull out guns and pop some caps! and what if as you progress through the game, your renoun is growing, everyone loves you so much more.... at the same time, others want to kill you more, others hate you so bad, they can almost taste it! (i am speaking of bandits, obviously)
i have an idea! what if in adition to having "unconditional love" you have "unconditional hate." think about it, when you kill somones mates, no one is just going to let it go, no one is going to scream and run in fear of you, people are going to pull out guns and pop some caps! and what if as you progress through the game, your renoun is growing, everyone loves you so much more.... at the same time, others want to kill you more, others hate you so bad, they can almost taste it! (i am speaking of bandits, obviously)
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I agree with Hexadecimal about the respect thing. If I'm known as the most evil, violent and cruel person the world has ever known, I will not tolerate someone telling me to "sod off" or "stop being so annoying."
I also think (and my sister agrees) that you should have more flirting options. Like walking up to some chick (or your wife) and pinch her butt. Or if you're a female character, you could seduce someone into doing something for you. Like convincing the guards to look the other way while you break a law and you won't even have to pay for it. ^^
Ah, the joys of being a woman.
I agree with Hexadecimal about the respect thing. If I'm known as the most evil, violent and cruel person the world has ever known, I will not tolerate someone telling me to "sod off" or "stop being so annoying."
I also think (and my sister agrees) that you should have more flirting options. Like walking up to some chick (or your wife) and pinch her butt. Or if you're a female character, you could seduce someone into doing something for you. Like convincing the guards to look the other way while you break a law and you won't even have to pay for it. ^^
Ah, the joys of being a woman.
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Yeah the whole expressions system needs to be revamped
Yeah the whole expressions system needs to be revamped
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yeah... I doubt that would ever happen... Fable isn't that realistic, but is still more realistic than that...
and your cap lock is on... it makes you look like you're shouting :hmm:
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yeah... I doubt that would ever happen... Fable isn't that realistic, but is still more realistic than that...
and your cap lock is on... it makes you look like you're shouting :hmm:
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Well I kind of see myself as the Hero so I have all the depth I need. I think That is Lionhead's intention. Might be too much to hope for but maybe what I'm getting at is I hope the story is more compelling. And that I really do get into the emotional parts of the game. With all the talk of gaming features I hope that the story isn't neglected that would take a lot away from the game.
Those are some cool ideas +Rep
Might not be the right place but what about a Fable 2 novel with some back story
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Well I kind of see myself as the Hero so I have all the depth I need. I think That is Lionhead's intention. Might be too much to hope for but maybe what I'm getting at is I hope the story is more compelling. And that I really do get into the emotional parts of the game. With all the talk of gaming features I hope that the story isn't neglected that would take a lot away from the game.
Keelee.Hamomin;137461 said:I agree with Hexadecimal about the respect thing. If I'm known as the most evil, violent and cruel person the world has ever known, I will not tolerate someone telling me to "sod off" or "stop being so annoying."
I also think (and my sister agrees) that you should have more flirting options. Like walking up to some chick (or your wife) and pinch her butt. Or if you're a female character, you could seduce someone into doing something for you. Like convincing the guards to look the other way while you break a law and you won't even have to pay for it. ^^
Ah, the joys of being a woman.
Those are some cool ideas +Rep
Might not be the right place but what about a Fable 2 novel with some back story
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well perhaps that's why Fable 2 gives the option of playing as a female then, cause playing as a male, I did not feel that the Hero could be me and thus I ended up playing a character who really had no backstory or explanations... and that to me really would have made it more compelling...
maybe it will be different with the sequel...
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well perhaps that's why Fable 2 gives the option of playing as a female then, cause playing as a male, I did not feel that the Hero could be me and thus I ended up playing a character who really had no backstory or explanations... and that to me really would have made it more compelling...
maybe it will be different with the sequel...
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Yeah and Maybe my expectations are unreasonably high because of Mass Effect
Yeah and Maybe my expectations are unreasonably high because of Mass Effect
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You mean like concept art and that kind of thing... That'd be pretty cool. Like just have a gallery where you can view it all... Or even have those pictures up on the walls of your house.
I want body modification to the extreme. We already know that you can get scars by staying down for too long... but what if you could give yourself scars in different patterns? Like loops and swirls would make you more attractive, while something like thorns or crescents would make you scary. Also piercings. Lots of them.....
And I would like a more convincing evil laugh. What they had going in Fable just didn't work for me. He sounded like a cartoon villain. I want to strike fear into the hearts of thousands!
You mean like concept art and that kind of thing... That'd be pretty cool. Like just have a gallery where you can view it all... Or even have those pictures up on the walls of your house.
I want body modification to the extreme. We already know that you can get scars by staying down for too long... but what if you could give yourself scars in different patterns? Like loops and swirls would make you more attractive, while something like thorns or crescents would make you scary. Also piercings. Lots of them.....
And I would like a more convincing evil laugh. What they had going in Fable just didn't work for me. He sounded like a cartoon villain. I want to strike fear into the hearts of thousands!
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