Repercussions for Fable II Pub Games Glitchers

[Albion Knight]

Repercussions for Fable II Pub Games Glitchers

During my interview yesterday Lionhead Studio's Sam Van Tilburgh was pretty mum about the gold-churning glitch that was discovered in Fable 2's pre-release mini Pub Games.

He said that the patch for the game should be going live very soon, but when I asked him if the studio or Microsoft would be doing anything to those who raked in so much virtual cash he hit me with a no comment, followed by a "their could be repercussions."

Do tell? Is there a gold reset on our horizon? Or does he just mean that people will have to deal with the heavy burden of playing Fable 2 knowing full well they're cheater McCheaters?

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That could be huge for the many that have glitched.

 

[Zarkes]

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gewd thing i didnt have the oppertunity cuz i wulda, just in case for glitchers i wewdnt merge my guy for awhile just incase they d odo sumthin wierd.

 

[Slice]

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All the characters that did will probably get a tatoo on their forehead that says "I cheat"

 

[poopgod350]

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dude that would be awesome ^ and then have the towns people react accordingly lol

 

[Zarkes]

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yeahhhhhhhh id lov that on t ofit youand only a seect few would hav it, idbe lik the recon armourfor halo only rarer

 

[Skorm's Boss]

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"New from Smutty play things;
the I cheat underpants!
Woo the women (and the men)
let everyone know you cheat!"

 

[Wolfie]

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^ lol.

I hope there are no repercussions...I didn't cheat...of course not *shifty eyes*

 

[Skorm's Boss]

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Twilight Wolf I hope there are no repercussions...I didn't cheat...of course not :shifty:

what the!?!
you're the one who encouraged me to cheat....... not that I did

 

[Wolfie]

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Of course not. *cough*

 

[Goretex]

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If there were going to be repercussions, they would have told us already to keep people from cheating anymore. I still doubt they will do much more than release the patch.

 

[Albion Knight]

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Perhaps this is the way that they are telling us not to use the faulty code.
It realy doesn't take a genious to no that cheating is wrong and if caught there could be repercussions. To get mad because Lionhead and or Microsoft wants to return the integrity of the game back to the way they had intended doesn't make sence to me.

 

[Goretex]

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Perhaps this is the way that they are telling us not to use the faulty code.
It realy doesn't take a genious to no that cheating is wrong and if caught there could be repercussions. To get made because Lionhead and or Microsoft wants to return the integrity of the game back to the way they had intended doesn't make sence to me.

Nobody is complaining about it so I doubt anyone here is mad over anything. The only thing I'm saying is that Lionhead would have told already the community if there was going to be consequences once this exploit got to to their attention. That would easily have stopped most of the cheaters from cheating until they got the patch out. Another thing is that I doubt they will be able to decypher between who used the exploit and who didn't, so if they do decide to reset the cheaters' gold, they would have to do it to everyone, which would be very unfair to the people who didn't cheat.

 

[Slice]

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But you also have to figure in the people who "cheated" that didn't get on any high score list because the yweren't doing it in tournaments bought the game they own it so whatever they do in the game as long as it doesn't effect other people Its their desision they own the product plus it would be almost impossible for them to proove someone cheated.

 

[Skorm's Boss]

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Nobody is complaining about it so I doubt anyone here is mad over anything. The only thing I'm saying is that Lionhead would have told already the community if there was going to be consequences once this exploit got to to their attention. That would easily have stopped most of the cheaters from cheating until they got the patch out. Another thing is that I doubt they will be able to decypher between who used the exploit and who didn't, so if they do decide to reset the cheaters' gold, they would have to do it to everyone, which would be very unfair to the people who didn't cheat.

well said!
I openly admit that the first time I played thru pub games I ended up cheating because I was in so much debt, I unlocked the items and ended up with about 30K worth of gold, but now I am better at the games I have played thru them again, unlocked everything and have about 5K worth of gold, I consider these two characters to be my evil hero and good hero and as that' how I want to play thru fable II I think thats fair. If the patch makes me reset everything I'll be upset as I don't think I could play thru pubgames twice more before fable II is released (lack of xbox time due to work and a holiday!)

 

[Albion Knight]

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Nobody is complaining about it so I doubt anyone here is mad over anything. The only thing I'm saying is that Lionhead would have told already the community if there was going to be consequences once this exploit got to to their attention. That would easily have stopped most of the cheaters from cheating until they got the patch out. Another thing is that I doubt they will be able to decypher between who used the exploit and who didn't, so if they do decide to reset the cheaters' gold, they would have to do it to everyone, which would be very unfair to the people who didn't cheat.

They may not have decided to do anything yet. Which is what the comment sort of implies.

It would very easy to figure out who used the glitch. You can not realistically get over 100,000 gold with out also getting a mountain of experience to go with it. Anyone with a disporportiaonate amount of gold to experience has clearly been using the glitch.

Then again the repercussions could just be resetting the leader boards for Fortune's Tower or even as simple as letting the player have the extra gold and potentially spoiling their gameplay experience.

Would it be any different if their was a glitch that allowed players to get a huge amount of experience to start the game maxed out on Mele Magic and Ranged.

A big part of playing a roleplaying game is becoming more powerful whether it be by becoming stronger or by buying better equipment. Starting the game with more power than you should have or you need could make it less enjoyable.

Lets say that Lionhead knows who has glitched and who hasn't they could simple throw a contest to see who is the first to own all of Albion but anyone who used the glitch would be disqualified with no chance to be a part of it.

It all remains to be seen

One last thing this is an exerpt from Microsoft Terms of Aggrement for XBL

We provide the Service for your personal use.

... Some examples of harmful activity that we do not permit include: ...(vi) using or distributing unauthorized cheats, macros or scripts; (vii) exploiting any bug, or making unauthorized modifications to any software or data, in the Service or particular game to gain unfair advantage in a game.

I personally would be very careful about using the glitch :noexpression:

 

[Goretex]

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They may not have decided to do anything yet. Which is what the comment sort of implies.

It would very easy to figure out who used the glitch. You can not realistically get over 100,000 gold with out also getting a mountain of experience to go with it. Anyone with a disporportiaonate amount of gold to experience has clearly been using the glitch.

Then again the repercussions could just be resetting the leader boards for Fortune's Tower or even as simple as letting the player have the extra gold and potentially spoiling their gameplay experience.

Would it be any different if their was a glitch that allowed players to get a huge amount of experience to start the game maxed out on Mele Magic and Ranged.

A big part of playing a roleplaying game is becoming more powerful whether it be by becoming stronger or by buying better equipment. Starting the game with more power than you should have or you need could make it less enjoyable.

It all remains to be seen

You still receive the correct amount of experience if you use the glitch (ie. you will get 1500 exp instead of 150 when you use to glitch to maximize your winnings), so everyone's experience will be proportional to their gold. I understand and agree with everything you're saying about starting out with much more than you should, but there really isn't any way for Lionhead to weed the cheaters out from the rest of the players.

 

[Albion Knight]

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You still receive the correct amount of experience if you use the glitch (ie. you will get 1500 exp instead of 150 when you use to glitch to maximize your winnings), so everyone's experience will be proportional to their gold. I understand and agree with everything you're saying about starting out with much more than you should, but there really isn't any way for Lionhead to weed the cheaters out from the rest of the players.

This is true but if you win on every game your gold to points ratio will be much higher than someone who plays legit

Legit
Bet 1500 bust lose 1500
Bet 1500 get 16 win 100
Bet 1500 get 11 lose 400
Bet 1500 get 15 break even
Bet 1500 get 17 win 200
Bet 1500 get 33 win 1800
Bet 1500 get 21 win 600
Bet 1500 get 13 lose 200
Bet 1500 get 12 lose 300
Bet 1500 get 15 break even
Total Bet 15,000 total winings 300 That's 2% which is about avarege

Same outcome with the glitch (correct me if this is wrong)
Bet 1500 bust lose 150
Bet 1500 get 16 win 1450
Bet 1500 get 11 win 950
Bet 1500 get 15 win 1350
Bet 1500 get 17 win 1550
Bet 1500 get 33 win 3150
Bet 1500 get 21 win 1950
Bet 1500 get 13 win 1150
Bet 1500 get 12 win 1050
Bet 1500 get 15 win 1350
Total Bet 15,000 total winings 13,800 or about 92% there is no way anyone will get this ratio from playing legit

What they could do is simply reset everyone's gold to be 2-5% of their total amount bet and that way non glitchers might even benefit and glitchers would still have some gold left.

 

[BatsDude360]

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Bah, I cheated, I got about 3 characters with ALOT of money, all three have 5 stars and I also have 3 more with a decent amount of money, one with abunch of debt. If they do, do anything (wich I doubt they really will) that would involve taking all my money, points and items away I wouldn't care. Points are easy to get back along with items, debt can be anoying to get rid of but no biggie. And even if they do reset the cheaters, i'm sure thats about 70% of the leaderboards. Its a very easy cheat, 1 button tap. I'm sure ALOT of people have atleast tried it, and what of the people who just used it once? Would they be punished just because they were curious to see how it worked, or what of the people who might have accidently used it?
Honestly all I want are the items, if they took my money away I might even be happy.

 

[Cmoney361]

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Well here's how I see it. If they decide to reset the cheater's gold then hey that's fair. However if they can't and they decide to reset everyone's gold then they are going to tick off a lot of the loyal fanbase. I mean the pub games are extremely hard and the fact that anyone could resist easy money is in it self amazing. And if you take away those gamer's hard earned gold thn there may e a fable fan uprising. So I thnik they should just let it go. As for them taking more serious actions due to a violation of terms of use, well I don't know how else to put it that would really really suck.

 

[Albion Knight]

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Bah, I cheated, I got about 3 characters with ALOT of money, all three have 5 stars and I also have 3 more with a decent amount of money, one with abunch of debt. If they do, do anything (wich I doubt they really will) that would involve taking all my money, points and items away I wouldn't care. Points are easy to get back along with items, debt can be anoying to get rid of but no biggie. And even if they do reset the cheaters, i'm sure thats about 70% of the leaderboards. Its a very easy cheat, 1 button tap. I'm sure ALOT of people have atleast tried it, and what of the people who just used it once? Would they be punished just because they were curious to see how it worked, or what of the people who might have accidently used it?
Honestly all I want are the items, if they took my money away I might even be happy.

If someone used it accidentally or sparingly then my method wouldn't hurt them

Well here's how I see it. If they decide to reset the cheater's gold then hey that's fair. However if they can't and they decide to reset everyone's gold then they are going to tick off a lot of the loyal fanbase. I mean the pub games are extremely hard and the fact that anyone could resist easy money is in it self amazing. And if you take away those gamer's hard earned gold thn there may e a fable fan uprising. So I thnik they should just let it go. As for them taking more serious actions due to a violation of terms of use, well I don't know how else to put it that would really really suck.

I agree that it would suck I highly doubt that they would but there is that possibility. That's what keeps a lot fo gamers honest truth be told.

As for reseting gold, My method would only take away unearned gold and if you think about it if someone spent a ton of time using the glitch then they would have a bunch of points and have more than someone who didn't play much at all.