Today is September 17th

[Arseface]

Re: Today is September 17th

According to Russian combat philosophy, if you throw several million illiterate conscripts wielding Mosin-Nagant rifles at your enemy then, theoretically, in 5 to 7 years you should win.

I highly disagree with your statement. The Russians did what they did best, waste men and supplies with a war of attrition. The Nazi's had Russian supply lines in a stranglehold and without US support prior to and during the war then the full might of Nazi Germany would have been hard to handle. And without American and British assaults in France, Belgium, and Norway it might have ended in a stalemate. Britain was on the brink of destruction and I give a lot of credit to their tenacity in the face of what looked like defeat. While I don't doubt that the USSR didn't play a key role in fighting off the Germans, it would have been next to impossible without help from the West.

I'm not saying that they didn't "cheat" by sacrificing a few million soldiers, but they were the first to march into Berlin, and the rest of the allies got their a little later with relative ease (mainly because Germany had committed most of their troops to fighting off the USSR counter-invasion), and said that it was a joint victory and they should carve up Germany.

The lesson for today?
USSR won the was in Europe.
America won the war quicker in the orient, but at the cost of THE biggest war atrocity ever commited.

Yeah, but I'm not complaining. Anything to keep the Japanese off our arses.

The Americans are doing the same thing as Al Qaeda, just under a different flag and using a different god as justification.

They're actually not. I'm not going to say that it's not an atrocity, but they are trying to not kill innocents, and they're not doing it in the name of any god, except money.

The whole idea of it being a religious war is complicated. Al Qaeda are fighting a religious war from their perspective. The Allies are fighting an economic war. The public support - particularly from hard line Christians, which are a significant demographic in the US - comes from the fact that these Christians believe that it's good to be killing heathen Muslims, innocent or not, and only then because they can't see the difference between the two.

 

[TRA Rotid]

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The simple answer to the USSR vs USA question is that if any of the big Allies nations(USA, USSR, GB) hadn`t stepped in, we would be living in a whole different world today.
The reason of USSR`s cannon fodder tactics was the lack of intelligent commanders who were wiped out by Stalin prior to WWII. Even Georgi Zhukov, the most famous Russian commander used masses not tactics.

And although it`s not 17th anymore, I too think that we should remember those who lost their lives, regardless of sides.

 

[Firis]

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^Yeah, Stalin was a bitch.

 

[Walker]

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You are a stronger man than I.
Just kidding. What fun is life if you don't p|ss everyone off along the way?

As much fun as ****ing people off is, I get tired of arguing sometimes. Especially since I disagree with everyone...

And y'know? The visitor message system makes me feel incredibly guilty posting this here instead of right to your profile for some reason. Ooops.

Also, yes, I claimed I would ignore everything else. I lied. I'm just going to stay out of it.

 

[Shirosaki]

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In some ways Stalin was vital to Russia though, he greatly modernised the country and played an important part in making it able to compete with other countries. The bad points outweigh the good points on paper though, and in human loss.. However!

 

[Arseface]

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In some ways Stalin was vital to Russia though, he greatly modernised the country and played an important part in making it able to compete with other countries. The bad points outweigh the good points on paper though, and in human loss.. However!

Yeah, you have to give him credit for turning the USSR into the political/military powerhouse it is (or was until 20 years ago).

 

[TRA Rotid]

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Yeah, good old Stalin developed the heavy industry while agriculture was going downhill fast. Who cares that people were starving, at least they had more tanks than the rest of the world combined.