Transportation

[SorenSwift]

Transportation

I havnt been on in a while so im not sure if this has already been talked about but i want more ways of getting around then the guild seal and walking if it really will be free roam then they should have horses ofcourse but depending on your location are the means of transportation
such as if your in a desert use a camel or something or if your a merchant you can have an animal follow you with your wares attached to it or have oxes pull carts or something also magic to do it maybe a flying spell that would be the coolest but i admit it would be hard to do because they would need barriers everywhere to keep you from going far in the quest too early and there should be trains i mean man kind has obviously discovered gunpowder so steam engines shouldnt be too far off and with trains come quests like defend the train from bandits(kinda ripped that from Red Dead Revolver but w/e) and such anyway i know its kinda farfetched but i like it. Feedback is great anykind cause i really dont care if you hate my ideas.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Re: Transportation

A long time ago it was, not sure about recently:

See these threads:

http://forums.projectego.net/plains-trains-automobiles-2511/

http://forums.projectego.net/horses-2236/

 

[FableFreak]

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Truthfully I wouldn't want trains. Plus I don't see how trains and gunpowder have anything to do with each other.

(Gunpowder wasn't widely used until the 1200's and steam locomotives came about in the 1800's...)

 

[Ishrin]

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FableFreak is right, Transcontinental railroads wasnt even until early 1900's...but a good mode of transportation would be boats, ships with 1000's of slaves rowing it. Y'know the not so primitive but still underdeveloped things.

 

[Walker]

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No, there is no relation between the common use of gunpowder and the common use of steam locomotives, but the earliest (and I mean REALLY early) steam engine is not much younger than the earliest gunpowder, if at all.

I mean, they're both old technology, and nothing guarantees that one would be refined before the other. Hero's aeoluphile was, what, 600 BC? First gunpowder was when? Don't know what's up with the 1200's... isn't that a bit early for "widely" used gunpowder?

(Goes off to check data)

EDIT:

Turns out that Hero of Alexandria, the guy who invented the earliest known steam engine, the aeoluphile, lived from 10-75 AD or, according to some, 150-300 AD.

First gunpowder and its use in combat was somewhere between 200-1000 AD. Looks like "wide use" was more like 14th-18th centuries.

Random: Hey, Ishrin! Another Marylander! Hi! Where're you from? I'm in Central Maryland (nice and ambiguous. That's HOW much ground?)

Oh, and I just noticed: in addition to me not liking the idea of oar-powered ships, let alone slave-powered ships, a ship carrying thousands would be highly unlikely at the apparent level of development. At least going from screenshots. Hell, even modern big, huge aircraft carriers have two thousand-something crew. Much fewer before, I believe.

EDIT 2: Yeah, I know we already had this argument... but it was inconclusive and, well, I couldn't resist this restart...

 

[Ishrin]

Re: Transportation

Random Answer:Bah, Walker I should've noticed your maryland flag in your sig lol. I live @ rockville XD Good to know there's another Marylander in here

Back to Transportation answer: Mehh, I'm not big a fan of slaves but I was just thinking modern use of transportations back in the day. Also remember it wasnt always just slaves how about pirates who were ranked lower? That could've been there job on the boat when they had to move out of tight jams. (That could even spawn a job quest thing because remember you do always start at the bottom unless if you have connections.)

 

[Walker]

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Um... I'm not sure what you mean. Like, what, having captured prisoners working the oars? But yeah, slaves were pretty common as oarsmen on bigger ships.

And yeah, you're actually pretty near me. I'm a ways southwest, over on the other side of the District.

 

[Rhadiel]

Re: Transportation

i doubt they will have trains, since the game is around when guns are first made, and guns were made way before trains. but horses definitely

 

[Walker]

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Ah, no, Fable 2 is many things, but set near the advent of guns I seriously doubt. Arquebuses these guns are not, and I don't think arquebuses, while perhaps the first non-artillery guns, were not the first guns. They don't look like them, and they DEFINITELY don't shoot like them, at least from the looks of the dog demo, where a long gun (I won't say rifle, because I have no way of knowing if it were rifled) was shown.

And I'm still not sure of that. The first, early steam engine came before the first, early gun in our time; and there's nothing that mandates that steam engines refined, improved, and adapted to transport (boats and trains and even cars and tractors and such) couldn't come early. I mean, yeah, it took till the industrial revolution in the 1800s to get steam really up and running, but that isn't a hard law. Just the chance of our development.

 

[Ishrin]

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Walker is greatly informed in history. xD Nice information like a history lesson ;-)

 

[Sephiroxas]

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We have to keep in mind though that this is fable.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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We have to keep in mind though that this is fable.

yup, this is not the real world we're talking about, it's a fictional universe within a video game, which, while it may have certain parallels with our world, does not actually take place in our world, so pointing to specific points in history and claiming that dictates what can or cannot be in the game is a bit silly...

 

[Sephiroxas]

Re: Transportation

Well Said Hex rep+

 

[Rhadiel]

Re: Transportation

yup, this is not the real world we're talking about, it's a fictional universe within a video game, which, while it may have certain parallels with our world, does not actually take place in our world, so pointing to specific points in history and claiming that dictates what can or cannot be in the game is a bit silly...

once u mention it...that is true. but i think trains would be...well...a bit cheap. maybe they can have an evil quest were u get to fight on and destroy the very first train in Albion.:ninja:

 

[Hexadecimal]

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once u mention it...that is true. but i think trains would be...well...a bit cheap. maybe they can have an evil quest were u get to fight on and destroy the very first train in Albion.:ninja:

I never said trains wouldn't be cheap... I happen to think trains would be lame... but that has nothing to do with me freaking out and pointing to a textbook saying they didn't have them in our world so they can't have them there... I don't recall them having the ability to teleport using guild seals either, so the tech is obviously not the same there as it is here :lol:... I just wouldn't like them cause it comes off as far too mundane, and that , for me, isn't what Fable is all about

 

[Rhadiel]

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I never said trains wouldn't be cheap... I happen to think trains would be lame... but that has nothing to do with me freaking out and pointing to a textbook saying they didn't have them in our world so they can't have them there... I don't recall them having the ability to teleport using guild seals either, so the tech is obviously not the same there as it is here :lol:... I just wouldn't like them cause it comes off as far too mundane, and that , for me, isn't what Fable is all about

yeah, Fable should be...well...Fabley, i think trains would be a waste space. and trains dont exactly reak of Fableness

Hero-" We must destroy Lucien's tower : THE SPIRE!, before its late"

Guildmaster- "Quick! Take the train!"

Hero - * Hops aboard train* " Your reign of terror is over Lucien!"
*train moves 5 MPH*

 

[Walker]

Re: Transportation

No, I wasn't saying trains were impossible or possible from those little factoids: I was saying that, from OUR history (since all I know about the Fable universe history is that guns seem to have developed to shocking levels from nothing that we know of in 500 years) there is nothing that dictates that trains come a long time after guns, which is what someone else said.

Hmmm... you know what, I just went back and read what I said. Sorry, I was just using our history as my only base to operate from because, well, it's my only base to operate from. I'm also pretty sure that the Fable development would follow the same general path as ours, if not the speed (because it would seem that they went faster).

And yes, we already had this discussion. I'm pretty much the only person who thinks trains would really be cool. I'm STILL arguing that they're plausible, though.

I would like to point out one last thing, though: a lot of the reasoning against trains seems to be the same as that which people had against guns, that they didn't fit, they were cheap, they were lame, whatever. And yes, some people still say that: but haven't some of you ended up changing your minds about those?

I don't see how anything is Un-Fable-y, outside of absurdities like spontaneous development of powered flight, alien invasion, full-fledged 21st century cars, nuclear power, and similar stupid crap.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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I would like to point out one last thing, though: a lot of the reasoning against trains seems to be the same as that which people had against guns, that they didn't fit, they were cheap, they were lame, whatever. And yes, some people still say that: but haven't some of you ended up changing your minds about those?

I don't see how anything is Un-Fable-y, outside of absurdities like spontaneous development of powered flight, alien invasion, full-fledged 21st century cars, nuclear power, and similar stupid crap.

I for one haven't changed my mind about anything.

if you had the ability to teleport anywhere you wished at a moment's notice, would you still take the train?
I wouldn't.
That's why it's lame and to me wouldn't feel like Fable.
It has nothing to do with whether the universe could have developed the technology, it has to do with why in the hell people who can whisk themselves from point A to point B would instead waste the time and the resources getting there on some rickety train...
how heroic is that? way to inspire the masses! you could have used your abilities to appear out of nowhere, but instead you used your gold to buy yourself a trip on the old 3:45...
you could have saved my family the instant **** started to go down, but instead you decided to take the train... oh, but you missed the last one of the day... oh well, I can make a new family
that's retarded

 

[Jester.]

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I for one haven't changed my mind about anything.

if you had the ability to teleport anywhere you wished at a moment's notice, would you still take the train?
I wouldn't.
That's why it's lame and to me wouldn't feel like Fable.
It has nothing to do with whether the universe could have developed the technology, it has to do with why in the hell people who can whisk themselves from point A to point B would instead waste the time and the resources getting there on some rickety train...
how heroic is that? way to inspire the masses! you could have used your abilities to appear out of nowhere, but instead you used your gold to buy yourself a trip on the old 3:45...
you could have saved my family the instant **** started to go down, but instead you decided to take the train... oh, but you missed the last one of the day... oh well, I can make a new family
that's retarded

ahahahaha

 

[sabre3993]

Re: Transportation

Hey what's up i'm new to the forums, so maybe i'll get a "warm welcome".

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal
I for one haven't changed my mind about anything.

if you had the ability to teleport anywhere you wished at a moment's notice, would you still take the train?
I wouldn't.
That's why it's lame and to me wouldn't feel like Fable.
It has nothing to do with whether the universe could have developed the technology, it has to do with why in the hell people who can whisk themselves from point A to point B would instead waste the time and the resources getting there on some rickety train...
how heroic is that? way to inspire the masses! you could have used your abilities to appear out of nowhere, but instead you used your gold to buy yourself a trip on the old 3:45...
you could have saved my family the instant **** started to go down, but instead you decided to take the train... oh, but you missed the last one of the day... oh well, I can make a new family
that's retarded

true, but it would be kinda cool to have side quests on the trains, like if your evil you could hijack the train, or if your good you could stop a high jacking from happening or somethin like that.