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The Midnight Avenger

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Change in Guard?

Something I think is rather interesting is the change of guard from your big, burly town guard (someone who has spent many months working out for the position) to some regular schmuck in a red-shirt military uniform (taken from the streets of bowerstone with promises of gold, adventure, and 3 square meals a day) patrolling the cities in groups with their new and exciting rifles fitted with bayonets, at least that's what I'm assuming.

I guess with change in technology comes change in authority as well. No longer does Albion need these mountain of men who destroy noobs with one slap, for they now have Regular Joe and his friends equipped with next generation hand cannons fitted with pointy things at the end. O.o
 
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That's true and it's a good thing that Lionhead changed the guards, military and so on. I mean, the old town guards were stuck to the first Fable's way of looking at guards. However, now they look like real guards.

I'm glad that they have upgraded the guards looks too, because, at least from the trailer they give you the feeling that some tyrant was on the throne for a long time, seeing so many guards around, marching and so on. You know that there's no freedom and people are forced because of the guards/military.

I'm sure, we will enjoy either killing or play pranks on those guys.
 
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If its anything like the redcoats then those schmucks are criminals, vagabonds and generally poor people (like you said) off the street. And as for how they hold up, remember those same weaklings beat Napoleon. Seriously, WTF?

But yeah, strength in numbers.
 
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They looked pretty weak to me in one of the gameplay trailers. The hero was swatting these guys away with one shot, or maybe it was two. I'm not entirely sure anymore, but it looked cool anyways.
 
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The Midnight Avenger;413296 said:
They looked pretty weak to me in one of the gameplay trailers. The hero was swatting these guys away with one shot, or maybe it was two. I'm not entirely sure anymore, but it looked cool anyways.
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Just to clarify, I wasn't being facetious. They are weak. The redcoats shouldn't have won.
 
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Recycled Human;413299 said:
Just to clarify, I wasn't being facetious. They are weak. The redcoats shouldn't have won.
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Haha, well we all know how they won there. Unless my history is wrong, Napoleon's army was already devastated by famine, disease, and previous war in Egypt - or Spain if I'm wrong; - and then here comes the redcoats, always at the ready to take advantage of opportunity, one of their biggest strengths.

But even at that, I think Napoleon's soldiers were all pretty much the same as the redcoats as far as training and previous lifestyle. They too were probably schmucks plucked from the street. :P
 
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Not to go all history-y on you but actually the French were completely different. You volunteered to fight instead of being forced to, you were paid for your services, you could gain rank instead of buying commissions, they didn't flog their own men like the british were known for, they had the most brilliant military mind as their general. Marching into russia was the start of their downfall but the true loss came at waterloo and that was due to one simple fact. Napoleon became predictable.
 
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Recycled Human;413310 said:
Not to go all history-y on you but actually the French were completely different. You volunteered to fight instead of being forced to, you were paid for your services, you could gain rank instead of buying commissions, they didn't flog their own men like the british were known for, they had the most brilliant military mind as their general. Marching into russia was the start of their downfall but the true loss came at waterloo and that was due to one simple fact. Napoleon became predictable.
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It appears you have me at a disadvantage there then. :D

Still, I'm sure they had the same attitudes. I mean heck, let's face it, they all did their share of rape, pillage, and looting. Both the French and Brittish, as well as other armies, shot women and children, destroyed lives, communities... I mean, no one was the good guy, as we all know with war, of course.
 
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The Midnight Avenger;413314 said:
It appears you have me at a disadvantage there then. :D

Still, I'm sure they had the same attitudes. I mean heck, let's face it, they all did their share of rape, pillage, and looting. Both the French and Brittish, as well as other armies, shot women and children, destroyed lives, communities... I mean, no one was the good guy, as we all know with war, of course.
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You are certainly right there. NO ONE was the good guy.

But I guess it fits the industrial Fable 3 then that the guards are no longer the nice, friendly helpful juggernauts.
 
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Recycled Human;413293 said:
If its anything like the redcoats then those schmucks are criminals, vagabonds and generally poor people (like you said) off the street. And as for how they hold up, remember those same weaklings beat Napoleon. Seriously, WTF?

But yeah, strength in numbers.
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Redcoats in this game OR anything like them would ruin this game.
 
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Recycled Human;413293 said:
If its anything like the redcoats then those schmucks are criminals, vagabonds and generally poor people (like you said) off the street. And as for how they hold up, remember those same weaklings beat Napoleon. Seriously, WTF?

But yeah, strength in numbers.
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Personally I Wouldn't call them weak, as You said most of them came of the street You had to be pretty tough to live until adulthood back then let alone survive as a criminal back then. They knew how to fight dirty. Plus they were under the iron duke's command, Boney should of known better than to mess with Wellesley. "Scum of the Earth" He called them, but a decent enough army they made, they got the job done.

As for the guards in Fable 3 I'm glad with the changes, plus the redcoats are a nice touch. :)
 
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I don't see how anyone could defend the Redcoats when their soldiers were sick, beaten (flogged nearly to death) and hungry and anything over Sergent bought a commission and knew as much about warfare as I do about knitting (which I assure you is next to nothing).

Mad respect for their Navy, Mad respect for the Duke but I just don't see the redcoat's win as anything but lucky.

And yes, I too am partial to seeing a squad of riflemen. Do you think this means we might get bayonets?
 
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Recycled Human;413411 said:
I don't see how anyone could defend the Redcoats when their soldiers were sick, beaten (flogged nearly to death) and hungry and anything over Sergent bought a commission and knew as much about warfare as I do about knitting (which I assure you is next to nothing).

Mad respect for their Navy, Mad respect for the Duke but I just don't see the redcoat's win as anything but lucky.

And yes, I too am partial to seeing a squad of riflemen. Do you think this means we might get bayonets?
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I said they weren't weak, I never said I was defending the way that they were treated.

You said Yourself that they were mainly thugs, they already knew how to fight, how to endure.
When it comes to muskets it's down to being "lucky", the terrible accuracy of a the smoothbore weapon meant that they had to fire in waves all at once (You probably know this.) So to be honest, You can't really be a skilled crackshot with a musket, (unless of course You count reloading it, if a soldier was good at this they could fire of 2-4 rounds per minute.) It was all about luck for both sides.
 
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Recycled Human;413411 said:
I don't see how anyone could defend the Redcoats when their soldiers were sick, beaten (flogged nearly to death) and hungry and anything over Sergent bought a commission and knew as much about warfare as I do about knitting (which I assure you is next to nothing).
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The british were not so bad, there military was both enlisted and pressed into service, the men who were pressed would desert unless there was strict discipline which was a cornerstone of of all british fighting forces land, sea, and air.

Also, whenever Napoleon needed supplies he just ordered them to be given, the British did not, when Napoleon returned from Russia, French farmers buried their crops to hide them from Napoleon, when the British marched they purchased their supplies from the French farms. Would the British do that if they only pillaged and stole.
 
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I did not mean to sound like I was attacking you. Quite the contrary, I respect a fellow fan of the Napoleonic Wars.

I recently watched Rob Roy with Liam Neeson and I found it interesting how accurate the redcoats were firing more than 200 yards away into fog uphill. You are correct these weapons weren't very accurate and did rely heavily on sheer numbers (the waves of men and the one up one down formation). Instead of continuing on this tangent, I'll just say I'm sorry if I upset you (it wasn't meant as an attack) and I hope the Redcoats in Fable III don't disappoint.

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Overan;413424 said:
the men who were pressed would desert unless there was strict discipline which was a cornerstone of of all british fighting forces land, sea, and air.
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It was a barbaric mistreatment of patriotic men that most other countries had done away with by that time.

I know that they weren't so bad, I just find it hard to believe that the French lost (I might be a francophile)...
 
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Ah don't worry about it pal, I wasn't offended or anything just needed to explain Myself. Sorry if I sounded a bit overly defensive lol :lol:

anyway's I agree, I hope the Guards in Fable 3 turn out well :)
 
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i hope you can bring the old guards back in fable 3 when u become king, they had a nice sense of crude humor i liked. but the new addition does look good.
 
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Buy the PC version maybe someone will mod it for you!
 
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i am fine with the new guards, it is just for nostalgia. though it would be pretty awesome to have a whole army of them conquering other nations.
 
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