Debate (Might Offend, Sorry)

[Famous_Reaper]

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I meant if something broke, or if you forgot protection. Stuff to that extent. I should've added that in. Oops. I'll have to be more careful and informative next time.

 

[Skorm's Son]

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Let's all debate about a topic that has been around for a while. It may be offensive to some, but oh well. If you're offended by it, ignore this topic. The topic is abortion. Should it be banned?

Personally, I think it should be banned. Abortion is murder. The moment the child is conceived in a woman's stomach, it is a life. And to take life is murder. That's why I believe abortion should be banned.

Yes.
+rep.

but Hexadecimal has a point about it not being the womans choice and having a reminder of that horrible incident for nine months
+rep

 

[Hexadecimal]

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I meant if something broke, or if you forgot protection. Stuff to that extent. I should've added that in. Oops. I'll have to be more careful and informative next time.

well, now I'm more confused than ever...
you started off by saying that abortion is murder and it should never be done...
now you're saying it could be oay in cases of rape?
so it's okay to "murder" a fetus only if their father is a rapist? is that like a sins of the father pass on to the son kind of idea?
if it's absolutely wrong then that means absolutely.
otherwise it all depends on circumstance, which is what a bunch of us have been saying.

 

[Famous_Reaper]

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No, what I'm saying is the if a women is raped, the "do the crime, do the time" doesn't apply. But it's still murder, in my opinion.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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well, I think anyone has the right to do anything they want with their own bodies, and that includes kicking out unwelcome guests.

 

[Famous_Reaper]

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Have you kicked out unwelcome guests recently?

 

[Hexadecimal]

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Have you kicked out unwelcome guests recently?

uh, that's a little personal

 

[Famous_Reaper]

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Sry. Didn't mean to pry. Forgive me.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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Sry. Didn't mean to pry. Forgive me.

well, that's pretty much both the most personal and most offensive question you could ask a person, and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on this discussion...

 

[Famous_Reaper]

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Again, I say sorry. Besides, you were the one who brought it up. I guess we should stop this discussion now, though. Before things get out of hand and we say something rash.

 

[FableFreak]

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There is no final answer to this, where life starts could be harder to answer than the meaning of life. One could for example ask if male masturbation is murder, since the sperm ejaculated are basicly thrown away. Is a sperm human life too?

I myself feel like I can't determine the answer to such a question and will stay neutral in this.

You could say that, but then it is like saying a woman who has a miscarriage is killing her child, or even her period, because she empties all of the tissue and nutrients it takes to keep a baby alive in the womb.

 

[Tsuyu]

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You could say that, but then it is like saying a woman who has a miscarriage is killing her child, or even her period, because she empties all of the tissue and nutrients it takes to keep a baby alive in the womb.

I was just asking a philosophical question to prove how hard it is to answer the question "where life begins".

 

[Liberator]

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There's been at least a few studies done that indicate abortion has a majorly negative effect on the women who have gone through one. Many become intensely depressed and have difficulty developing relationships with other people (especially men).

And to those who think that abortion is the best decision for a woman who does not have the means to raise a child to take, remember that there are millions of people in the world looking to adopt children to raise them in loving and nuturing homes. Abortion eliminates the chance for some potential adoptive parents to ever have a child.... :'(

 

[Tsuyu]

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There's been at least a few studies done that indicate abortion has a majorly negative effect on the women who have gone through one. And to those who think that abortion is the best decision for a woman who does not have the means to raise a child to take, remember that there are millions of people in the world looking to adopt children to raise them in loving and nuturing homes. Abortion eliminates the chance for some potential adoptive parents to ever have a child.... :'(

That's only to be expected, as with any surgery on the human body. It's not natural for that to happen to a human body.
Also, I don't mean to be a bastard, but do you have any proof of that? If you ask me, I'd say there are alot more of children up for adoption than the couples wanting to adopt one.

One reason for this is the fact that homosexual couples no longer have to adopt to have children. A male couple can have a child with one of the two and a surrogate mother and a female couple can go to a sperm bank

If given the choice of either having a total stranger's child, or knowing that alteast one of you are related by blood to the child - I'd bet 90% would choose the latter.

 

[Liberator]

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Proof? Sure. How about couples who can't have children due to physical reasons and/or can't find an acceptable surrogate? Or how about single people who want to raise an adopted child? Then there's the folks who have children of their own, but are wanting to adopt another one into the family. That's a few examples of proof....

 

[Sephiroxas]

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Proof? Sure. How about couples who can't have children due to physical reasons and/or can't find an acceptable surrogate? Or how about single people who want to raise an adopted child? Then there's the folks who have children of their own, but are wanting to adopt another one into the family. That's a few examples of proof....

then how come there's still a whole pile of children up for adoption? There's too many children in the world.

 

[Tsuyu]

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Yeah, if they are in such high demand that one abortion will make a couple not getting a adopted child, wouldn't the oprhanages be sweept clean?

 

[Hexadecimal]

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even if there weren't enough kids for people to adopt, and I don't buy that for a second, who cares? make them wait. regular couples have to wait 9 months to have a chilid, and that's usually only after months or even years of trying to get her pregnanat... now it's suddenly a tragedy is somebody wants to adopt and can't do it right this minute? too bad, just wait a while, a baby will turn up eventually, the planet's covered in them...

and the idea that a woman has to keep a baby just because children are some kind of hot commodity sounds overly capitalistic to me... female's aren't factories here...

 

[Famous_Reaper]

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even if there weren't enough kids for people to adopt, and I don't buy that for a second, who cares? make them wait. regular couples have to wait 9 months to have a chilid, and that's usually only after months or even years of trying to get her pregnanat... now it's suddenly a tragedy is somebody wants to adopt and can't do it right this minute? too bad, just wait a while, a baby will turn up eventually, the planet's covered in them...

and the idea that a woman has to keep a baby just because children are some kind of hot commodity sounds overly capitalistic to me... female's aren't factories here...

Amen!

 

[Angel]

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Ok, I realise this thread is a little old, (my internet has been a bit rubbish) but I just have to throw in my two cents here.

I have taken into consideration all points made here, but to be fair, it isn't possible to pass judgement until you are in the position yourself. And then you have to make the right decision for you, taking into account all the relevant factors and, where possible, getting some counselling or something. It's a pro-choice thing - no one has the right to enforce what they think is right upon a woman who is going through an unplanned pregnancy - this might sound selfish, but at the end of the day, the ultimate choice does rest with her.

A little fact about rape, by the way - the body actually shuts down to a degree during any kind of violent physical act and the chances of conceiving from an act of rape are incredibly slim. But it does happen and in those circumstances, I think there needs to be some special consideration.

Sorry for bumping this thread, but it is something that really does grab my interest for various reasons.