F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

[cheezMcNASTY]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

^I do go to church and have to listen to the sermons, why "Because it is important." now I have a question for you all...

I am a minor, as such it is a dictatorship, parents are the dictators, I am the citizen, not to say it is a bad dictatorship, but as a minor and having to listen to them, thinking this is best for me (To listen to the sermons) is it or is it not a infringment on my 1st ammendment rights? If so is there anyway I can use that without Social Services comign in and taking me away or any other traumatizing/unhelpful experience?

That question is more directed to those who would know, such as John Doe and other smart members.

it is not, because first and foremost, the law states that you are their dependent (meaning they are financially and legally responsible for you). The law gives them permission to raise you as they see fit so long as you are not physically or mentally abused (and no, enforcing their religion on you is not mental abuse). They are within their rights to impose their religion upon you because in their eyes, it is the best environment to raise you in.

This of course also goes beyond you turning 18. After you are 18, they truly do not have control over your beliefs or rights, but can still set those as rules for when you are living in their house. Really, you aren't free until you live independently from them.

if either of your parents physically abuse you, or psychologically manipulate you (I.E. making you think it's your fault that they touched you, or slipping you alcohol to make you shut up) then you can plea to social services. other than that, it's a method of parenting so little could be done.

 

[Firis]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

^I will wait for a second opinion on that, but if you are right, is there anything I can do to stop the rhetoric/biggotry past the "I don't wanna hear it" - Me "Too bad." - Father snapping, besides sellign out my beliefs for a possible peace that is unlikely?

 

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

wow im aitheist and music is definetly not the cause, so thats stupid, i feel for ya man

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

^I will wait for a second opinion on that, but if you are right, is there anything I can do to stop the rhetoric/biggotry past the "I don't wanna hear it" - Me "Too bad." - Father snapping, besides sellign out my beliefs for a possible peace that is unlikely?

well, i'm assuming nothing you haven't tried already. they can impose their beliefs to the point of sending you to a brainwash camp if they saw it fit. the best you could do is comply and make it seem your all for God's team so they back off a little. part of the reason they are coming on so strong could be just because you are resisting. a little pacifism never hurt

 

[Firis]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

^I've been pacifist for a while, but making me read a book disguised as "School owrk" (Book report) to try to change my religion, and to try to ban me from my Reverend is too far for me. And I think you have a poor grasp of the law if you think they can do that without consequence, I have gotten several opinions (None from the law, but still) that religious nagging is against my rights since I told them to stop several times, and they said they would, but they do it... I should sto psaying they cause really it is just my dad.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

no, i think my grasp of the law stands pretty firm because so far i haven't heard you mention that they have had any consequence. take your case to child services if you don't believe me, but they will likely laugh your case off.

if you are looking for the answer you want to hear rather than the truth here's a good website where you will get plenty of it.
http://4chan.org/

 

[Angel]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

it is not, because first and foremost, the law states that you are their dependent (meaning they are financially and legally responsible for you). The law gives them permission to raise you as they see fit so long as you are not physically or mentally abused (and no, enforcing their religion on you is not mental abuse). They are within their rights to impose their religion upon you because in their eyes, it is the best environment to raise you in.

This of course also goes beyond you turning 18. After you are 18, they truly do not have control over your beliefs or rights, but can still set those as rules for when you are living in their house. Really, you aren't free until you live independently from them.

if either of your parents physically abuse you, or psychologically manipulate you (I.E. making you think it's your fault that they touched you, or slipping you alcohol to make you shut up) then you can plea to social services. other than that, it's a method of parenting so little could be done.

I'd second this - like I said before, in their house, abide by their rules. Once you hit the magical age of no longer being a minor, it is your choice to go to church or not go and they cannot make you attend. As parents they are doing what they believe to be the right way to raise you and all-out rebellion isn't going to help you one iota. Is it going to cause you great pain and suffering to go to a building on a Sunday for a couple of hours so that they lay off you a bit? It's not like they are arranging your future marriage or signing you up for some weird cult-like religious army or whatever. You don't have to agree with what the sermons say, you don't have to even listen if you really don't want to - just sit there. Surely that can't be too hard - if you're in school in a lesson you'd really rather not have to be in, you manage the same process I imagine so just see it that way if you really are not interested in church or anything like that.

But keep trying to sensibly communicate with them if you can and if you attend church with them, perhaps as a compromise they might let you have some of your favourite things back - a little give and take never hurts.

 

[Firis]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

I'd second this - like I said before, in their house, abide by their rules. Once you hit the magical age of no longer being a minor, it is your choice to go to church or not go and they cannot make you attend. As parents they are doing what they believe to be the right way to raise you and all-out rebellion isn't going to help you one iota. Is it going to cause you great pain and suffering to go to a building on a Sunday for a couple of hours so that they lay off you a bit? It's not like they are arranging your future marriage or signing you up for some weird cult-like religious army or whatever. You don't have to agree with what the sermons say, you don't have to even listen if you really don't want to - just sit there. Surely that can't be too hard - if you're in school in a lesson you'd really rather not have to be in, you manage the same process I imagine so just see it that way if you really are not interested in church or anything like that.

But keep trying to sensibly communicate with them if you can and if you attend church with them, perhaps as a compromise they might let you have some of your favourite things back - a little give and take never hurts.

Well... It isn't so much the church as it is the biggotry, he is always throwing in something about <insert savior here> into discussions it doesn't belong in. And always trying to tell me that "It's just a phase, your young and stupid." and "Maybe with all those idiots out of your life (Marilyn Manson and other such poetic inspirations to me) you will think clearly."

It just annoys me... I go a little more insane everyday because I have the decency (And intellect) not to insult Christianity in front of them, why should I take it from them because they are my parent? I guess...

I will take your advice...

 

[Angel]

Re: F'in pwned (Rantlicious, ignore or advice)

I do see your point and I would not agree with the way your father is speaking to you but for now there is little you can do about it but hold out until you can do things your way without fear of getting into trouble.

My dad used to be pretty hardnosed when it came to going to church - not going was simply out of the question. Only if we were ill (and I mean dog sick) could we miss a Sunday meeting, and what we could watch on TV, see at shows and even some of the games we could play were strictly monitored. Now I think he's a bit embarrassed by the way he reacted to things when we were little and would probably never advocate such behaviour now. Guess for every parent it's a learning curve and we all get it wrong at some point - here's hoping your dad will chill out eventually and start to see things a little more from your perspective. And if not, you'll just have to agree to disagree as you get older because you can't change a person's mind who doesn't want it changed, as you well know for yourself.