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KOTOR 3

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****ing security program. I can't go read the rumor...

Force Unleashed does look cool, though, if wildly uncanonical (by my definition of canonical, which is "what the books say is right" not "what George Lucas, the guy who created, owns, and made the movies and some games says it right" In other words it is technically canonical, I just don't agree with the canon).
 
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Walker;97610 said:
Force Unleashed does look cool, though, if wildly uncanonical.
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I'm pretty sure George Lucas himself giving the ok to every aspect and character they're using in the game makes it canon... he'd know... and he wouldn't have okayed it if it flew in the face of the rest franchise...
 
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Nope. Far as I'm concerned, George Lucas isn't canon. The books are canon, irregardless of the fact that Lucas is creator, owner, and the guy who makes money off every Star Wars thing ever made... and according to the books, the Sith didn't get apprentices until after they were the master, excepting the Hands of the Emperor, who weren't really apprentices no matter how force-trained they were.

(NOTE: No, that does not make sense. As far as I'm concerned, sense is overrated.)
 
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I read the rumor... now if only there were some hard data. Anyone up for infiltrating Bioware? We can live out our Splinter Cell dreams!
 
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Thats the funny thing, Darth Vader had one Secret Apprentice he was training to defeat the empeour and He died. or did i just spoil the ending lol.
 
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Yeah, according to the game which I hath deemed unanonical for the sole reason that it isn't a book. [Shrug] I'm weird that way.

And... it sort of makes sense, sort of doesn't make sense, and I don't know the whys and wherefores of either.
 
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Walker;101297 said:
Yeah, according to the game which I hath deemed unanonical for the sole reason that it isn't a book.
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well that has nothing to do with canon...
that's just you choosing not to accept it as valid...
canon is still canon whether you accept it or not ;)
 
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Obviously, you haven't read the Walker Declaration of the Re-Definton of Canon, Balistas, Trebuches, Cataplts, and Other Artilery (WDRDCBTCOA for "short"), which declares that Canon is what Walker says it is. [grin]

And yeah, I know canon is canon whether I accept it or not-- I just don't choose to accept it. I prefer the books to the movies and especially to the games (well, except for the New Jedi Order series, which sucks even though i still read and enjoy it) so I just go by the books. And excepting Splinter of the Mind's Eye-- it came out right after A New Hope, and it has very uncanonical stuff, like Luke still trying to screw Leia, Luke and Leia killing Vader, the Force much weaker, differences to the lightsabers, and other big deviations.
 
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Walker;101313 said:
I know canon is canon whether I accept it or not-- I just don't choose to accept it.
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that's fine... I just wanted to clarify since declarations such as 'anything not a book isn't canon' could lead to confusion for people who are only casually familiar with the franchise who come to this thread for info, and we don't want that ;)
 
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Um... yeah... that's actually a good point. (Warning: Arrogance-sounding alert, but really, truly, honestly, it's a statement of fact-- I read a lot and have a very large vocabulary) Not everyone has my vocabulary, I just assume sometimes that they do. So good point. Someone might not know the meaning of the word and I might confuse them.

So yes, it is canon-- the official truth, as of now.
 
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Walker;101344 said:
Um... yeah... that's actually a good point. (Warning: Arrogance-sounding alert, but really, truly, honestly, it's a statement of fact-- I read a lot and have a very large vocabulary) Not everyone has my vocabulary, I just assume sometimes that they do. So good point. Someone might not know the meaning of the word and I might confuse them.

So yes, it is canon-- the official truth, as of now.
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people being confused by what you say when it is incorrect has nothing to do with the size of their vocabulary...
anyone who didn't know what canon meant couldn't get the wrong impression because they wouldn't know what you were talking about to begin with and hopefully they would ask...
the word canon does not mean novels only, but for those less familiar with the Star Wars universe coming here for info, they may think, due to your claims, that the movies and games not being canon are true when they're not...
I hope that's cleared that up for you
 
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Walker;97626 said:
Nope. Far as I'm concerned, George Lucas isn't canon. The books are canon, irregardless of the fact that Lucas is creator, owner, and the guy who makes money off every Star Wars thing ever made... and according to the books, the Sith didn't get apprentices until after they were the master, excepting the Hands of the Emperor, who weren't really apprentices no matter how force-trained they were.

(NOTE: No, that does not make sense. As far as I'm concerned, sense is overrated.)
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From what I remember the downfall of the Sith was do to so much infighting and since that time there would only be two A Master and an apprentice. Not that they couldn't just that they didn't. But to Kill your Master and take his place is the goal of any Sith apprentice. How that is done varies Darth having a secret apprentice in order to meet that goal is perfectly within canon.
 
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The rule of two was made by Darth Bane. H e took it from several sources including Revans Holocron on Lehon (Unknown World KOTOR) and stated that "The Master Hold the Power, The Aprentice Hungers the Power" when the master is killed the Apprentice takes his Title and finds a new Apprentice and begins the cycle again. The main quest of that rule was to slowly infiltrate the jedi and desroy them which is why Palpatine ruled in the end. Before that and even after that the sith had many numbers. The use of Darth only appeared around the time of Revan, though its thought to originate from the Raktan Langage, and mean A"One who triumphs over death, and lord of absolute power" Dark lord came from the idea that the jedi follow the light while those who betrayed them follow a darker path. Lord of the sith came from the title of the lord who controled the slave race known as the Sith.
 
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Hexadecimal;101354 said:
people being confused by what you say when it is incorrect has nothing to do with the size of their vocabulary...
anyone who didn't know what canon meant couldn't get the wrong impression because they wouldn't know what you were talking about to begin with and hopefully they would ask...
the word canon does not mean novels only, but for those less familiar with the Star Wars universe coming here for info, they may think, due to your claims, that the movies and games not being canon are true when they're not...
I hope that's cleared that up for you
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Yes. I know that. But I could have sworn that I said (or if I didn't I meant to) that I was using my own definition of canon, and I was operating under the assumption that people would know the real one and ignore me.

And yes, I know what "canon" means. I have known since, many years ago, I read a book on the Council of Nicacea and and promptly forgot everything about it except for the general defintion of "canon". In the case of fictional works, the official/real truth.

I would like to point out that for someone to be befuddled by what I said they'd have to be utterly ignorant of both the meaning of "canon" and the Star Wars series. Or just the meaning of "canon".

EDIT: I did not say that. I should have. I'll go edit it in.)
 
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-Ravan-;101557 said:
The rule of two was made by Darth Bane. H e took it from several sources including Revans Holocron on Lehon (Unknown World KOTOR) and stated that "The Master Hold the Power, The Aprentice Hungers the Power" when the master is killed the Apprentice takes his Title and finds a new Apprentice and begins the cycle again. The main quest of that rule was to slowly infiltrate the jedi and desroy them which is why Palpatine ruled in the end. Before that and even after that the sith had many numbers. The use of Darth only appeared around the time of Revan, though its thought to originate from the Raktan Langage, and mean A"One who triumphs over death, and lord of absolute power" Dark lord came from the idea that the jedi follow the light while those who betrayed them follow a darker path. Lord of the sith came from the title of the lord who controled the slave race known as the Sith.
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I always thought that Darth stood for Dark Lord of the Sith
 
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Heh. For all we know that is where they got that when they were making the movie. Even if they said different now, who knows what inspires ideas like that? I know when I'm (trying) to write stories I get names from the weirdest places, only a small fraction of which I remember. For all we know that is where he (Lucas or whoever) found the inspiration.

Tangental anecdote:
I was sitting in the car creating this race while staring mindlessly at the little thing that shows whether your in park, drive, reverse, neutral, 2nd gear, low. It's shown as "PRND2L". Somehow while I was staring at that and creating the race, I came up with "Prandel", and then "Prandelik." Something similar could have happened with Lucas or whoever to inspire the "Darth" title.
 
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