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That's because there are no subliminals. At all. Those who think there are (and some of them are respected authors and speakers who otherwise have sensible things to say) are, to my mind, looking for something that isn't there. Like anything, if your kid starts leaping about screaming "avada kedavra" or whatever the hell it is and stabbing their hamsters in the eye with a toy wand then yeah, perhaps a little time off from all things Potter-ish might be in order. But it's a kid's story and I don't think it's sinister, or meant to be viewed that way. I'm sure there are pages and pages across the net of other Christians who won't be moving in next door to me when we get to heaven but I'm fairly certain I won't give a crap.

It's my two cents, I'm sure I'm probably theologically incorrect, but I'm also pretty sure it's not high on God's to-do list: to kill JK Rowling and burn all her books.
 
True, true...

Then you get the inevitable comparisons between the Oswain series or Narnia stories and Harry Potter - all use magic but apparently the lines are "too blurred" in HP to truly define good and evil. Give over - the only bad thing about the books is how they ended. Which was badly...
 
On a related note, you know those films that were an adaptation of Phillip Pullmans 'The Northen Lights' (they changed the name of the film, can't remember it right now)? They're not allowed to make any more of them into films because apparently they too carry Anit-Christ messages. S**t's insane bro.
 
To be fair, Phillip Pullman did make a point in an interview that: "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". This obviously hasn't gone down well with some groups although others have invited him to join debates and even to include his books in RE lessons, although I'm not entirely sure how that works. Mr. Pullman is an atheist but has also apparently said he's not out to cause offence, but if controversy sells more books then so be it.

It's bound to get certain peoples' backs up - I personally couldn't care less because I think his stories suck.
 
Angel said:
To be fair, Phillip Pullman did make a point in an interview that: "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". This obviously hasn't gone down well with some groups although others have invited him to join debates and even to include his books in RE lessons, although I'm not entirely sure how that works. Mr. Pullman is an atheist but has also apparently said he's not out to cause offence, but if controversy sells more books then so be it.

It's bound to get certain peoples' backs up - I personally couldn't care less because I think his stories suck.
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Yeah... but Dakota Blue Richards is hot :|
 
Angel said:
True, true...

Then you get the inevitable comparisons between the Oswain series or Narnia stories and Harry Potter - all use magic but apparently the lines are "too blurred" in HP to truly define good and evil. Give over - the only bad thing about the books is how they ended. Which was badly...
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Oswain?

But yeah, that's full of ****. Me, I still like the Prydain series. Were those "too blurred?" I dunno. I dunno how Harry Potter could be considered blurred. Pot-head-boy is pretty thoroughly in the traditional self-sacrificing hero vein. [cough]cuechristparallels[/cough]

HobbeBrain said:
On a related note, you know those films that were an adaptation of Phillip Pullmans 'The Northen Lights' (they changed the name of the film, can't remember it right now)? They're not allowed to make any more of them into films because apparently they too carry Anit-Christ messages. S**t's insane bro.
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No, they didn't change the name of the movie. The first book was called The Golden Compass for the US release, and that's the name they released the movie under.

And yeah, Phillip Pullman's books are pretty solidly anti-Christian in its representation of God, the Angels, the afterlife, the church, and probably a few other things I can't think of. Yeah, they were... readable. I enjoyed them. But even at the time I noticed that they were very anti-Christian-theology. (This was at the tail end of my pious-little-**** phase. Make of that what you will.)

In point of fact, I don't think Muslims and Jews would like them much either.

But the reason they aren't releasing any more movies is because no one went to see the first one, not because of religious outrage.
 
Oswain series - books by Christian author John Houghton. Entertaining enough if you're under, say, 11 but overtly Christian and whilst unlikely to put off anyone not religious, still incredibly transparent in its theology. They're just kids' adventure stories set in another land - the usual "kids called from our world to help save their world, talking animals, good guys and bad guys" sort of stuff.

Jessica likes them but prefers John Bunyan, would you believe...and that's the original, not the modernised version. Tried getting her to read Jane Eyre (I did at her age) but she's having none of it. Ah well...
 
Walker said:
No, they didn't change the name of the movie. The first book was called The Golden Compass for the US release, and that's the name they released the movie under.

And yeah, Phillip Pullman's books are pretty solidly anti-Christian in its representation of God, the Angels, the afterlife, the church, and probably a few other things I can't think of. Yeah, they were... readable. I enjoyed them. But even at the time I noticed that they were very anti-Christian-theology. (This was at the tail end of my pious-little-s*** phase. Make of that what you will.)

In point of fact, I don't think Muslims and Jews would like them much either.

But the reason they aren't releasing any more movies is because no one went to see the first one, not because of religious outrage.
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I heard that it was the religious thing, but it could be a mixture of the two. And I see myself as (albiet rather liberally) a Christian, and it's only a book, I don't take any offence to it.
 
Well, here's what IMDB has to say about how much money it made. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like they either lost money or just barely broke even.

Maybe you could blame that on the pious and holy not going to see it, or discouraging its showing or something, but it wasn't all that successful whatever spin you put on the reasons.
 
Maybe. I don't know whatever the reasons are, but I definately know there was some hulabaloo over the Anti-Christ element of it.
 
walker, you could always give in and buy a copy of the copy+pasted christian-value-laden redwall series. i'm sure your aunt wouldn't object to a book about a metaphorical rodent jesus slaying the bad guys (who seem to always be a different race).
 
Never got into Redwall. Dunno why. Think he already has them*, though, and I'm trying to avoid things he already has.

*Either that or "tried and didn't get into."
 
Redwall is frigging hard work to get into for a set of books supposedly marketed at kids. Even as a TV series it was...icky.

I guess it all comes down to what your cousin allows - if she wants more Christian style kids books then I can get you a whole list of non-vomit-inducing titles to start with. I run a children's library, after all...
 
You could always buy him the first three novels of the DragonLance series. I read them at the age of 13, fell on love with them and still read the series to this day. First three books: Dragons. of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winters Night, Dragons of Spring Dawning. It's a trilogy.
 
loki's post just reminded me i used to read the cirque du freak books when i was 11-12... those captivated me like no other. couldn't put the first one down. i think i may have had it confiscated because i couldn't stop reading in class.
 
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