Manhunt 2 Denied UK Release

[Hexadecimal]

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I'm not a big fan of Manhunt, but from what I understand that's just, well, crazy. And stupid. And not a good sign for any thing.

well, if people feel that it is in fact crazy or stupid it is not mandatory that they purchase it, now is it?
I will never understand how some of today's democratic nations got so "politically correct" that they sought to eradicate freedom of expression and the free market... that seems rather incorrect to me...

 

[PSYCHOPAT]

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since ESRB gave manhunt 2 an AO rating its not being allowed to be relesed on any gome counsle in uk or us. so rockstar says there gunna edit the content.....which baslicaly means there gunna take out all the good stuff.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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since ESRB gave manhunt 2 an AO rating its not being allowed to be relesed on any gome counsle in uk or us. so rockstar says there gunna edit the content.....which baslicaly means there gunna take out all the good stuff.

Just heard on the radio that they have postponed its release in most places now and are weighing up their options so that may be right. How could they decide whats acceptable though? You can slit a mans throat with a glass shard but you cant stab it in his eyes....? I mean where can they edit it?

 

[Tsuyu]

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I will never understand how some of today's democratic nations got so "politically correct" that they sought to eradicate freedom of expression and the free market... that seems rather incorrect to me...

Have to agree with you (like many times before), mistress. Just slam a warning label on the game and let people have the freedom of choice to buy it or not - just because it is released doesn't mean people are going to rub the content all over your face.... that came out wrong... or right.:ninja:

I mean, you don't like that sort of content - just leave the game box standing there in the store.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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I really don't get why movies like Hostel can be allowed but Manhunt can't... to me the content seems about the same...
Ontario rates it's games in the same way they rate their movies, and legally they are viewed exactly the same, so Manhunt 2 simply has an R rating meaning it is for persons over the age of 18, much like many movies... this doesn't in any way limit it's sale in the province, beyond requiring I.D. if you appear to be under 25...
this makes more sense to me than banning games altogether simply because children are getting their hands on it... that is the fault of the children and the retailer
In Ontario also, anyone attempting to purchase a game underage faces a $50,000 fine, and the retailer faces one of $250,000. Needless to say, this is a rather effective deterrent :lol:
The notion that the free market and people's right to choose which content they will or wont access is theirs only so long as no one complains and that a ratings board, whose purpose is to educate consumers, instead does little more than the equivalent of book burning simply baffles and shocks me...

 

[Tsuyu]

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Fines?

I think my 9-years-old brother could buy Manhunt II over here in Sweden, without consequences. A fined retailer is unheard of! Harr harr.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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Fines?

I think my 9-years-old brother could buy Manhunt II over here in Sweden, without consequences. A fined retailer is unheard of! Harr harr.

well I've never heard of one fined here for games specifically either... but I have seen people who looked 16 or so asked for I.D. when they tried to buy an M rated game... so that's probably why...

 

[Tsuyu]

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well I've never heard of one fined here for games specifically either... but I have seen people who looked 16 or so asked for I.D. when they tried to buy an M rated game... so that's probably why...

Ah... I see. This is all very interesting, I'm starting to see how nice Sweden really is, despite the fact I hate our government and politicis... and other Swedes.

Basicly all you'd need I.D for over here is booze n' fireworks, and probably guns too but it is really rare for someone other than a police to own one, unless you hunt.

I think we rely alot more on the parents to tell their kids what is right or wrong, instead of having laws to do that.

 

[Albion Knight]

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Ah... I see. This is all very interesting, I'm starting to see how nice Sweden really is, despite the fact I hate our government and politicis... and other Swedes.

Basicly all you'd need I.D for over here is booze n' fireworks, and probably guns too but it is really rare for someone other than a police to own one, unless you hunt.

I think we rely alot more on the parents to tell their kids what is right or wrong, instead of having laws to do that.

Parents talking to their kids let alone *shudder* teaching them is madness MADNESS!!! That's what prison is for.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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I really don't get why movies like Hostel can be allowed but Manhunt can't... to me the content seems about the same...
Ontario rates it's games in the same way they rate their movies, and legally they are viewed exactly the same, so Manhunt 2 simply has an R rating meaning it is for persons over the age of 18, much like many movies... this doesn't in any way limit it's sale in the province, beyond requiring I.D. if you appear to be under 25...
this makes more sense to me than banning games altogether simply because children are getting their hands on it... that is the fault of the children and the retailer
In Ontario also, anyone attempting to purchase a game underage faces a $50,000 fine, and the retailer faces one of $250,000. Needless to say, this is a rather effective deterrent :lol:
The notion that the free market and people's right to choose which content they will or wont access is theirs only so long as no one complains and that a ratings board, whose purpose is to educate consumers, instead does little more than the equivalent of book burning simply baffles and shocks me...

I would agree 100% and also that movies like Hostel should be seen as worse by the law if they want to be like this. Games show pixelated violence against fictional characters and movies show violence against real people and in a realistic manner and some are based on true stories. This whole situation just stinks of hypocrisy.

 

[Tsuyu]

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This whole situation just stinks of hypocrisy.

Much like the modern free world in general, and no, I am not speaking only about the U.S alone, although the U.S makes a more outstanding example since they value this "freedom" so much and often use it in politics.

No one is ever truly free.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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Ah... I see. This is all very interesting, I'm starting to see how nice Sweden really is, despite the fact I hate our government and politicis... and other Swedes.

Basicly all you'd need I.D for over here is booze n' fireworks, and probably guns too but it is really rare for someone other than a police to own one, unless you hunt.

I think we rely alot more on the parents to tell their kids what is right or wrong, instead of having laws to do that.

well we do rely on parents to tell their kids what is right or wrong, but you can't force children to listen and you'll always have some parent who doesn't pay attention and then when little Billy robs a bank looks back and blames the video games he was buying...
this way the kids have to rely on their parents cause they're the only ones allowed to buy it for them...
like I said, here video games are legally classed as movies, and there wouldn't be much point in rating a movie as adult if a 4 year old could go and buy it...
would you sell a hardcore porn to a small child? here retailers are asked to request I.D. if the person appears to be a child because children aren't allowed access to adult content...
and I don't feel that is hypocrisy... they can't vote at that age, and anyone who does not have the right to vote cannot claim the right to vote on media content... they have parents for that...

 

[Tsuyu]

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and I don't feel that is hypocrisy... they can't vote at that age, and anyone who does not have the right to vote cannot claim the right to vote on media content... they have parents for that...

No of course not. We are talking about the countries of the "free world" banning games for the "free people" to be hyporcisy, since banning things are more like something Hitler or Stalin would do in their not-so-free countries for their not-so-free people.

Oh, and we could probably send a 4-years-old to a video store to buy porn - but the involvement of Social Services and Child Wellfare would soon follow!

As I said, the rating of games and movies aren't really as serious as the restrictions for driving and drinking, it's more of a suggestion of what level of content the game has... for me atleast, and Swedes in general.

 

[Hexadecimal]

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As I said, the rating of games and movies aren't really as serious as the restrictions for driving and drinking, it's more of a suggestion of what level of content the game has... for me atleast, and Swedes in general.

and they aren't here either.
drinking and driving is a criminal offense that nets you jail time...
selling adult contents to minors is a misdemeanor that nets you a fine...
the two are seen as very different things and drinking and driving is taken far more seriously.

 

[Seigfreid]

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Mostly because the consequences are very worse ; a kid with porn is just a confused brat with a hand down his pants.

I'm usually not the devil's advocate, but I have to say that banning something is not completely bad, if done right that is. Its pretty much a way of nipping a problem in the bud, but since there is still pirating and internet, its merely trimming a few leaves. But none the less it should be tried in order from parents making stupid mistakes in stores.

Though you may not know, all the blame on media is not all pussywillow, there are those who are influenced by games, music and movies. Sometimes good, but then there are times when it can be bad. Most just want to take precaution so it can't happen, even though they believe it still does when it happens on the news. Besides that, you can't expect an idiot to realize his flaws or mistakes, and even so let the blame fall on him so he can go to jail when they can just blame it on the media.

 

[Tsuyu]

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Mostly because the consequences are very worse ; a kid with porn is just a confused brat with a hand down his pants.

I'm usually not the devil's advocate, but I have to say that banning something is not completely bad, if done right that is. Its pretty much a way of nipping a problem in the bud, but since there is still pirating and internet, its merely trimming a few leaves. But none the less it should be tried in order from parents making stupid mistakes in stores.

Though you may not know, all the blame on media is not all pussywillow, there are those who are influenced by games, music and movies. Sometimes good, but then there are times when it can be bad. Most just want to take precaution so it can't happen, even though they believe it still does when it happens on the news. Besides that, you can't expect an idiot to realize his flaws or mistakes, and even so let the blame fall on him so he can go to jail when they can just blame it on the media.

In Soviet Russia, banning a scapegoat makes the problem go away!

 

[Hexadecimal]

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Mostly because the consequences are very worse ; a kid with porn is just a confused brat with a hand down his pants.

I'm usually not the devil's advocate, but I have to say that banning something is not completely bad, if done right that is. Its pretty much a way of nipping a problem in the bud, but since there is still pirating and internet, its merely trimming a few leaves. But none the less it should be tried in order from parents making stupid mistakes in stores.

Though you may not know, all the blame on media is not all pussywillow, there are those who are influenced by games, music and movies. Sometimes good, but then there are times when it can be bad. Most just want to take precaution so it can't happen, even though they believe it still does when it happens on the news. Besides that, you can't expect an idiot to realize his flaws or mistakes, and even so let the blame fall on him so he can go to jail when they can just blame it on the media.

I'd have to disagree as I feel banning in this instance is completely bad, especially considering the way they're going about it...
and the blame on the media in this case is also "all pussywillow" because the reason was not to protect all citizens from the alleged evil influence of a game, but to protect children from it...
adults are being kept from adult entertainment because it's not suitable for children...
I do believe that is the very nature of adult entertainment, that it is no meant to be enjoyed by children...
where is the line drawn? why not other Mature games? why not R rated movies? none of these are suitable for children either, and they all have the same potential for influencing a person's mind if there is any...
people blamed Marilyn Manson for Columbine, should his albums be banned to prevent future shootings? Perhaps everything should be banned with a rating above Teen... then we can all be safe and protected in our plastic bubbles =]
Not to mention the fact that it is not the duty of any ruling body to decide what people should or should not do unless it has a direct physical impact on another person's rights.
the fact that a few people could go nuts seeing a game is not a justifiable reason to deny it to everyone...
their duty should be to educate people so they can make informed choices, not remove the choice altogether

 

[Seigfreid]

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I was going for a better case scenario, but you got a good point. Just becuase they want to protect children doesn't mean that adults have to suffer but to eliminate most of a problem, there are times when you must eliminate all of the problem. You can have that idea or think of the old saying: "sacrifices have to be made". If there was the option of keeping kids away and allowing adults the pleasure of the game, steps could be taken to use that. Though there is that, its called good parenting, its not a law-made idea(in a way to say). Maybe if they would crack down on parents instead of media, no matter who's fault, that could make the "stoopid" people think. Or at least try.

 

[Darg]

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I've heard about this all in the past few days in the news, and I anticipated someone would discuss it. I think I can kind of see things from the eyes of the people who banned it a little, what with the whole game being based around you being a murderer (well, like there aren't enough of those games out there as it is...), but it is still no reason to ban a game, no matter what. As Drakan previously said, it would be like them putting a ban on gory movies and whatnot. It's all the parent's or child's blame if they want to be exposed to that, the exact same concept as in movie ratings. I don't see the difference, whether or not it is a game. Lately, video games haven't had that great of publicity but I believe people are slowly trying to eliminate them totally with all the opinions out there about them putting images in easily-influenced peoples' minds to go nuts and whatnot. It's a whole cycle of things only getting worse in my opinion.

 

[Tsuyu]

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Manhunt 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1. A shame it won't be for the 360.... yet.
2. Doesn't the main character sorta look like Gordon Freeman...?