We talking the Old Testament or the New Testament?
That's one argument I detest, I'm arguing against the bible. The bible cannot be split.
Jesus himself said the old testament is canon and should be worshipped alongside him.
Yeah. Funny, I don't remember the church in my area being a glamorous palace filled with corrupt fat men. Not all churches are the same, and not all are greed-filled and corrupt and refuse to help communities and aid to charities around the world.
My problem lies with the catholic church, they are the evil personification and fundamentalists that I loathe and detest.
Any other sects of Christianity I just find absurd. Its been the catholic church who have put the majority of the world through ignorance by invading countries and forcing their beliefs on others, the branches of Christianity are condemned by the catholic church. In so anything the catholic church condemns you can bet is something more humane than they are.
But even if the small church is charitable. So what? An atheist can be charitable, and an atheist wont stand in the middle of a town or knock on your door telling you to accept their beliefs.
Christianity has become tamer in the fact its believers aren't as barbaric as the bible they do or don't read. But their beliefs and origins are still the greatest force of evil the world has ever known and I find it insane that people can call themselves Christian and not know anything about it.
You keep bringing up good people who call themselves Christian but I cant see any real reason for a good person to be christian other than ignorance, fear and tradition which was instated by armies, empires & the conquering of our ancestors via war. Why would a good person want to read about a god ordering murder, rape, genocide, and all the evils and fairy tales of a book written over 2000+ years ago. I've never seen a single good thing come from these religions that couldn't come from a person who isn't from the religion. If you want to be a good person follow a good philosophy not one of poison that makes the world fight itself.
I'm not trying to come across as hostile but I mean to mock these beliefs, if a good person wants to have the bible as their beliefs, how are they good? The bible is a book of hate, bigotry & war. If you want to read it fine read it! But don't call yourself Christian call yourself a student of mythology, or history.
These books belong in the recesses of fictional mythology alongside Zeus & Odin's Pantheons, and not in the hands of uneducated people who could think the world is flat and that the sun orbits us, or any other ludicrous notion as these.
Every christian I know is ignorant of their own beliefs and when I say "Thats against your religion" they laugh and say so what, if thats the case why bloody be that religion?!
The reason that there is so many different branches of Christianity is that being a 'good' christian could be anything from slaying nonbelievers and raping virgins to being a penniless pauper who gives everything to the poor, because the bible is so varied and hypocritical being christian according to the bible is an oxymoron.
That's just it, a lot of them don't know that and some don't wish to. They were brought up on faith, if they lose that then what else do they have.
Logic, they gain logic and reason and knowledge of the origin on a vile creed. But anyway I agree with you;
That's just it, a lot of them don't know that and some don't wish to.
I was atheist most my life but very unsure of it all until I learned about the origins of jesus and that he is a mixture of many old pagan sun gods, when I learned this I was no longer unsure I was secure in knowledge that..... its all bullshit.
Now I'm no longer atheist I'm a agnostic Pantheist and I find it painful to hear people talk such rubbish when I know these things. But if I tell them they ignore me, this is what religion is it makes people accept without reading the fine print.
And decline to discuss it rationally
I always love how one non-deliberate, provocative statement about religion can turn into a heated religious debate.
Normally I wouldn't enter a thread on religion but this is a one off.
I apologize greatly for my ranting, and I usually never enter a Religion debate but this was a one off I wont do it in future threads, as we all know....
debates on religion can't end because one side uses logic while the other side ignores logic.
lol can I have an Ouroboros gais?
), and blanket statements that only accurately represent a tiny percentage are just as ignorant as blindly following the religion itself.
