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Reaver is obviously the Hero of Oakvale

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don't throw his argument out just because arc is 15, your speculation is just that speculation. arc has his i have my own and you have yours, i personally think that the HoO passed away cause of the fact that it says he did. but i can be wrong, if LH comes out and says otherwise i think HoO is dead.
 
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Arc Caster;407867 said:
It's funny how the second you learn my age you instantly assume superiority. Well, Sorry to ruin your thread. I'll be going with my opinions to play Banjo Kazooie and Sonic.


sorry that is how i want to spend my time. my opinion may have offend you.
 
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Dark Prophit;407872 said:
don't throw his argument out just because arc is 15, your speculation is just that speculation. arc has his i have my own and you have yours, i personally think that the HoO passed away cause of the fact that it says he did. but i can be wrong, if LH comes out and says otherwise i think HoO is dead.

you're right
 
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Please don't think this is personal. If you can't handle someone analysing and disputing a theory that you come up with, then maybe you shouldn't be here.

Destro23;407826 said:
I don't think you know or understand much about fable's story. Have you seen highlander? There is something in the game that says why Theresa is 500 years old. Its the book of immortals, READ IT. It doesn't say crap about magic, it says bloodline.

The immortalists book is hardly the best source to use when analysing this kind of thing. Sure, it might suggest that the descendants of William Black might be immortal simply because they are. You also have to remember that it says that this is the view of a sect that most people think are insane.

Not to mention that all heros are descended from William Black. That's why they are able to use Will. If they were all immortal, then we couldn't have killed any of the heros from Fable I, and that revolt wouldn't have happened. It simply couldn't happen.

Destro23;407745 said:
I just explained the sword as jack told you in the first game is fueled by the bloodline. the immortals book says that these people have unnatural long life. the sword is from the void, it was jacks but william took it or was given it. The sword is connected to the bloodline and jack. It is BOTH a weapon and a weakness for the bloodline. look at the handle, it has spikes going into the weilder like teeth. Dude this is the history of the game, maybe you should play it.

So you're accusing me of not knowing the History of Fable, simply because I'm disputing your "theory"? If you can't handle the heat...

The key to get the sword is the blood of someone in that bloodline. It was sealed away by Scythe when he disappeared, and it required his blood, or the blood of his descendants to get. Anyone can use it.

Destro23;407745 said:
The hero of oakvale becomes a bandit king when you challenge twinblade. You can actually lead all the bandits into Oakvale for another raid if you want to after twinblade. Did you think another character killed Twinblade at his tent infront of all of the bandits? Even if he didn't kill him, he still took rule away.

Ok, but it's still a tenuous link to make.

Destro23;407745 said:
Lionhead hadn't finished the story of Archon? Do you think they've finished the Hero of Oakvale's story?

Considering that they've said the Hero of Oakvale is dead, yes.

Destro23;407745 said:
If you don't believe immortality was in fable's story you must have been playing another game. jack was very immortal... and now he is dead.

Do you not see the contradiction in what you just said? You can't be both immortal and dead at the same time.

Destro23;407745 said:
you have no facts, you can point out nothing, you can only nay-say. you're actually really ruining this thread now so stop. and i'm tired of other people doing it too because its a tready way to band waggon what you don't understand. i think you're all jealous you didn't think of it first.

Yes. We're all jeolous of how magnificent you are. If you can't handle someone disputing your theory, then as I said: don't publish it.

Destro23;407828 said:
URG! How is that remotely helpful? Adding made up facts and causing confusion in the thread readers. How old are you?

There is no proof Reaver's hair is a wig, they just reused it as a wig so it could be. Weaver was not around the same time as Reaver. Weaver was not a bloodline hero, he was not immortal. I can't believe you don't know these things. Weaver did not live for 200 years after fable I. the hero of oakvale killed him.


Nothing is busted, you didn't even poke a hole in my theory. thanks for ruining my thread though i really appreciate that.

His theory has exactly the same merit as yours does. Probably more.
 
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Arseface;407903 said:
Please don't think this is personal. If you can't handle someone analysing and disputing a theory that you come up with, then maybe you shouldn't be here.

The immortalists book is hardly the best source to use when analysing this kind of thing. Sure, it might suggest that the descendants of William Black might be immortal simply because they are. You also have to remember that it says that this is the view of a sect that most people think are insane.

Not to mention that all heros are descended from William Black. That's why they are able to use Will. If they were all immortal, then we couldn't have killed any of the heros from Fable I, and that revolt wouldn't have happened. It simply couldn't happen.

So you're accusing me of not knowing the History of Fable, simply because I'm disputing your "theory"? If you can't handle the heat...

The key to get the sword is the blood of someone in that bloodline. It was sealed away by Scythe when he disappeared, and it required his blood, or the blood of his descendants to get. Anyone can use it.

Ok, but it's still a tenuous link to make.

Considering that they've said the Hero of Oakvale is dead, yes.

Do you not see the contradiction in what you just said? You can't be both immortal and dead at the same time.



Yes. We're all jeolous of how magnificent you are. If you can't handle someone disputing your theory, then as I said: don't publish it.



His theory has exactly the same merit as yours does. Probably more.
you've been insulting since your first post, you are not genuine and you keep trying to excuse facts as merit-less. if it is, it is. i can handle people scrutinizing my ideas, i can't civilly handle people spitting on them. so go, get a life. you are clearly just another troll.
 
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Destro23;407910 said:
you've been insulting since your first post, you are not genuine and you keep trying to excuse facts as merit-less. if it is, it is. i can handle people scrutinizing my ideas, i can't civilly handle people spitting on them. so go, get a life. you are clearly just another troll.

How have I been insulting? Just because I'm sarcastic in my delivery doesn't mean I'm throwing empty insults at you. There's a big difference
 
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Destro23;407926 said:
respectfully i don't appreciate it.

You can't just back down from calling him a troll to be "The bigger man". Seriously. And if we're just jealous we didn't have this amazing epiphany, Why is the title of this thread stating it's "Obvious"? Here's a tip:

Don't use opinion's and things said in game, most said to be false, combined with speculation and loose links to create a connection. The Hero is dead, he was not immortal. Lionhead has said this. The bloodline didn't cause immortality, it was never stated to do such by anything credible. Scythe, Jack of Blades and Theresa have figured out immortality, though Jack's method didn't work as planned. Reaver's method allows him to live longer and stay youthful. The connection is not the same. You want to call troll and retreat, fine. But your argument doesn't hold water. Sorry, but Reaver is not the Chicken Chaser we all know and love. And personally, Arseface's delivery is appropriate to your childish attitude towards this thread you started.
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Maybe it would be best to end this conversation here before it becomes a full-out flame war. Both sides have made their arguments, there is little more to add.

Oh, and everyone on this forum is mature and reasonable until proven otherwise, regardless of their age.
 
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Destro23;406600 said:
SPOILERS This is long and involved, if you don't like reading then go look at some pictures.

Reaver is obviously the Hero of Oakvale if you've ever listened to his diary.


Someone said he thinks Reaver "saw" the Hero of Oakvale once when I pointed this out, I can find no record of that. I can find no evidence that Reaver and The Hero of Oakvale were in the same place at the same time. I do remember a silly load screen saying The Hero of Oakvale died on Serenity Farm from old age. He is like a year younger than his sister though so that sounds like maybe, he just wants us to think he's dead. I found evidence in the game that everyone in your blood line is Immortal, including William Black/Scythe, Theresa. Other than the main character of this game, the other missing immortal is the main character of the last game.

Reaver doesn't thank the Shadow Court for his immortality, he only thanks it for his youth. Youth being someone the Hero of Oakvale could only get a little of from the temples of the time. Reaver only says he was looking for a stopper for death, not that he needed it. He probably wanted to save his Bride, who I believe was Ursula (a plain mortal). Ursula has a schoolhouse in Wraithmarsh and in the Snow Globe, so you know she fell special victim to the curse and was obviously turned into a banshee bound to the children of the village. This curse took place 200 years ago, the hero of Oakvale's quest ended 300 years before that day. He should have still been somewhere in the world! He can use weapons and magic unlike Theresa, Scythe even could have stopped the shadow court.

*The hero of Bowerstone is shot to death as an adult and as a child, he can't die BUT he can be scarred. Magic and Health are no big deal for an immortal, but scars and wrinkles seem to last forever. Scythe, Fable I.


The only reference to the Hero of Oakvale in Fable II other than his Guild Paintings are what NPCs say, they CLAIM inaccurately that he carried the Sword of Aeons to kill Dragon Form Jack.... but is that possible if theresa is still alive? There is a speculative theory that Theresa was half dead and then thrown into the void... but her dead body layed on the ground as I recall so forget all this Theresa is evil and from the void FAIRY TALE.

What accurately happened in the last game is the question at hand. Two things obviously. You see, the point of being evil in the first Fable game actually serves to speed the game along, and to destroy the guild and all it's members but Scythe. Scythe literally disappears at the end of the game. If he didn't disappear the evil hero/jack of blades would have exited Archon's Folly to find him outside, then killed him. Defeating the purpose of the game and the guild. If you were trying to be good then the point of the game is to explore and avoid the evil choices. Free Albion instead of taking it over. A more difficult task but rewarding.


So how do we know what happened? The Guild fell after the Hero of Oakvale killed the Guild-master (and possibly all other Heroes). The only thing that leads anyone to believe he was a good hero is the fact that Theresa is alive and the chamber of fate walls show the good ending where he doesn't become jack of blades, which wasn't the point of being evil anyway. Therersa and the Sword of Aeons still don't properly fit though! If you think outside of the game... The sword did have some power as Jack used it, and killed your mother... Maybe the Hero didn't cast it away or feed it blood, but still used it in the final fight. Logically if Theresa isn't exaggerating the events, this must have happened. And how did Reaver summon the shadow court? The Normanomicon, before he sealed it in THE HERO'S TOMB where it can only be reached when the Bowerlake is lowered, seasonally or something. Sythe being the last Hero is a poetic ending for the Guild. We know that people over threw the guild with guns and I'm guessing this is after the hero of oakvale staged his disappearance, taking on his new title.... As the Pirate King. Maybe he was on a quest to kill the pirate king for being a revolutionary threat to the guild, and the guild was burned down when he got back. What else could he do after the fall of the guild but stage his own death and look for a new line of work.


Penelope burned the house down while Reaver was sleeping with Andrew, killing Andrew but Reaver some how survived? How, unless he can't die like any mortal. After the house burns down, Reaver rebuilds it and invites Penelope and Ursula as honored guests, probably so Ursula the Banshee can kill Penelope.

The person that decorated and reconstructed Reaver's House was originally decorating and constructing the Temple of Shadow for Cornelius Grim. Reaver, who is loyal to the Shadow Court, calls the (Grim's) Temple of Shadows "silly" as if it is a cheap imitation dark temple..


Reaver has Sex Orgies

Reaver had discovered a Small Island (not Summerkant) which is the way he described Summerkant at the end of the game. This may be why he is misinformed? Garth being from there should know if Reaver was close to correct or way off and he tells Reaver "it's not like that".

Reaver claims he murdered a pirate king and took his place* to get the house. As he said ironically "it isn't everyday-" before announcing he murdered a pirate king and took his place. This is the same spot he killed Twinblade the Bandit King, an Ex-Hero who you could kill or spare in the first game.

I also think that the Hero of Oakvale is bald, and Reaver wears a wig. The hero of Oakvale is often shown bald, and Reaver obviously wears a hair piece.


I like how he greets his sister... Talking...not a silent hero anymore and he says:
"Blind eh? I would have preferred Mute."

look, what youve done is put 2 & 2 together and got 7, the guild was destroyed by the revolt of normal people who felt oppressed by corrupted heroes which took place a few centuries after the first game, not all people in the bloodline are imortal e.g. scarlet robe and the fact that the fisrt hero couldn't be evil is due to how he saved the world from jack, if he wore the mask, together they would have burned all of Albion as jack stated he would in the first boss fight, sword of aeons...is a tricky one dont have an answer for that but the thought of the hero of oakvale & Reaver being the same person is atrocious, Reaver made a bargain for eternal youth yes, but also immortality, that was the deal.
 
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This is interesting. I'd never thought about Twinblade being killed in the same spot.
Anyway my opinion on the whole bloodline immortality thing is that they cannot die of old age, but can die from battle. That would explain how Jack killed Scarlett and how Rose died. Not sure how you survive the shot and fall in the beginning of Fable 2, though, maybe Theresa saves you? "Death is not your destiny today, little Sparrow" or something like that. Says it both times you are shot by Lucien.

Not sure if I believe that the Hero of Oakvale is Reaver but it's a possibility I suppose, I need to do more research I'm behind haha.
 
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Destro23;407926 said:
respectfully i don't appreciate it.

Respectfully? Really? You know that word? Opinions aren't more or less accurate based on age. You've said multiple times that you shouldn't be here with kids...then leave. When you registered as a member to this forum, I don't believe it asked you for an age requirement, so you knew from the start that there wouldn't be some kind of "protection" against young adults. It's quite amusing to see that you are so pathetic to attack arc once you've found a way to insult him after having nothing else to say, seeing as you had no other arguments to support your theory. It hurts me to have to flame, and I apologize for this post having no relevance to the thread, but you are out of control Destro. Please, lighten up.
 
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I really have to say that he did get out of control quite a bit in these Forums. He blamed everyone else for things he started, I'm glad he's gone and this thread should probably be closed soon because I don't think he's coming back (I'm still praying). I mean, someone new is definitely going to have a hard time relating to everyone else here, certainly I had the same problem. He just was very resistant to everything and felt everything was a personal attack against him when it wasn't. He claims to be an adult, but he's acted the most childish I've ever seen here in this community. I can guarantee that he won't be missed. Certainly not by me.

He claims to have started this thread based off opinion yet it says "obviously" in the title. He bashes everyone else who disagrees with him. He tried to defend others by flaming the "attacker." He has the biggest hormone problem I've seen in a while...well, ever.

Good Riddance Destro23.
 
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This has just gotten ugly. Thread closed.

Destro23;407926 said:
respectfully i don't appreciate it.

Neither do the other members here with you attacking them and tossing their opinions into the trash because of their age.

Destro23;407834 said:
If you're 15 you shouldn't even be here. I don't like it when I accidentally connect with kids playing this game. I am an adult, this is an adult game. I hope these are adult forums. If they aren't, I am definitely in the wrong place and I don't know how I got here.

You're definitely in the wrong place then, this is a video game forum and there are members here of all ages. Your opinion is not automatically superior because you're an adult, you appear to have little care for offending the others members here as well. If you can't be mature enough to handle other peoples' opinions and instead troll them, then... it pains me to do this...




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