Religion?

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

^ I agree with tjbyrum1...

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

No, no, no, no, no. The last any Fable game needs more stupid quests.

I think that that's 1st thing any Fable game needs... I mean... one of the biggest problems about Fable series is that it's to short and it doesn't have enough quests for more gameplay...

Edit: sorry for double post...

 

[Tsuyu]

Re: Religion?

...you do realize that both the temple of Avo and Skorm were scams in Fable 1?

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

...you do realize that both the temple of Avo and Skorm were scams in Fable 1?

Yeah, but they can think off some goods that are LIKE Avo and Skrom...
And btw... who says that all real religions are not scams anyway

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

Well... it's true that it would be better if they focus on main quest, but if they can make those side quests good then why not?
I mean... TES series has like a billion side quests and most of them are good...
Side quests helps game making less linear... witch is important for games like Fable since they are making Fable into sandbox game more and more...

 

[ali1238]

Re: Religion?

You'll find that there is, um, lore of undead, monsters, creatures of good will as well as bad, and even gods in just about every time of every people in the world.
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The dragons in Fable are like western themed dragons commonly associated with the U.K (look at the welsh flag for an example) the one thing similar to British lore, then there is the Balverines based of Werewolves again British lore...

It is clearly based of European/British lore.

 

[Cain]

Re: Religion?

Yeah, but they can think off some goods that are LIKE Avo and Skrom...
And btw... who says that all real religions are not scams anyway

And little comments like that are why I hate people like you. The only religious scam I can recall was the medieval era catholic church, who used the idea of heaven and hell and purgatory to get people to donate money to the church. Today most religions are sincere and devoted to the worship of god. Yes there are donations but they are rarely anything more than £5, at least where I live.

So how about you shut up and put some thought into your posts before you say stuff like that, Idiot.

 

[Tsuyu]

Re: Religion?

Alright, alright. Lets not go down that path again, people.

 

[ali1238]

Re: Religion?

The origins of the western werewolf are Greek. Not to mention all of the North American native folklore regarding manwolves. Dragons of the medieval UK style cannot really be associated with the UK, it's far from an original idea that dragons are large, red flying creatures and breath fire.

All of that is aside from the point. The point is that the Fable universe (Albion) is not Britain and shouldn't exclude anything that isn't British for not being British enough nor should it include anything that is British simply because it's British. Albion can very loosely base things off of the old UK, but the game is not meant to be a history lesson and people should stop looking at it in a historical perspective.
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The dragons in Fable are clearly European and are in British lore... Thus it is British lore as well as European. Looks at eastern dragons, don't see them being big red fire breathing creatures.
Werewolves come up time and time again in British lore thus it is a part of British lore, while its origins maybe else where.

Now basically with the bold sections highlighted you have agreed with everything I have said. All I said was that Albion was based strongly off British lore. Its a game who expects a history lesson from a game with magic (though magic doesn't stop something being based upon a area).

 

[Skorm's Boss]

Re: Religion?

Last time I checked, Europe didn't have magic....

cough* Pagans

Oh and bring back Skorm or I'll smite everyone!

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

Ufff... now it's my turn
Ehem... anyway...

@JohnDoe about side-quests:
Well... stupid side-quest where you do someone else's grocery shopping is pretty dumb, but I don't mind it much because nobody forces me to take that quest...
Anyway... I was thinking about side-quests that don't have anything to do with the main story and at the end of the quest you get some decent reward... harder the quest better the reward...
Just something to make game more colorful and nonlinear...
Simply being able to go anywhere and killing anyone is not making game nonlinear in my opinion :-/

@White Knight:
Ehem... you... twat... you twating, twaticus, twatmancer...
I could start writing all reasons why are you an biggest twat ever at you face for what you said all night long, but I won't because this is not place for it...
Just know this...
I didn't point at christianity (yeah... notice I didn't use capital C... *****)... I said all as any religion in the world... I don't care witch one because for what you and I know... all religions could really be a scam and you don't have a proof to prove that the are not... it just as I don't have a proof to prove that they are a scam, but like I said... this is not place for that debate...
All what I was trying to achieve is to make reference to real world how some religions are proven scams and how people debate are some religions scam or not... so same could be for Fable...
And yeah... you said that you hate people like me...
Didn't jesus (yeah... no capital... AGAIN... *****) said that when hit you turn other cheek... and one of commands is LOVE thy neighbor and not HATE!?
You twat -.-

Well... that's all... for now...
Off to bed

EDIT: ***** stands for b.i.t.c.h!
Just letting you know

 

[Skotekal]

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You're cool. Not capitalizing Christianity or Jesus. Jesus is a name, no matter if you look at it religiously or not. But whatever, you are a hardcore badass who has bad grammar. But it's okay, you're a badass.

 

[halfgod]

Re: Religion?

johnDoe +REP
Also those new kids that come on this site become more stupid everytime......
(ironically im one of those lol, but im not this stupid)

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

No... maybe that is a sandbox, but going around and killing everyone everywhere is still linear because only actual thing that you can do is main quest and that's that...
Btw... what's wrong with side-quests.... I mean... no one forces you to take them... so if you don't like them just ignore them... it's choice!
You can go around killing everyone and I can go and play few side-quests when I'm bored with the main quest or I'm done with it...
TES series made that perfectly in my opinion... you had main quest line, side quests and whole world to explore and kill if you want... and that's what I like about TES... it gives me choice... choice of doing what I want... it never forced me to finish any quest... if I didn't like that quest I would just ignore it and go on... if I didn't like an of those... than I could do what you said and go around killing everyone...
And that's the beauty of choice...

halfgod... stfu -.-

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

Well... then... it's problem with the Fable game that they have non stop reminders and should fix that... as long as side-quests are optional and no one forces you to finish them they are ok...
Killing around everything around maybe is non linear, but it's stupid if it's only thing to do in a game... if I wanted to go and just kill stuff I would play Painkiller or Serious Sam...
Plus... I don't know what you have against side quests that are purely optional and no one pushes it in your face if you don't do it...
Btw... all those flaws you mentioned about side quests can be easily fixed...
For example.... put bit more work into them to make them better, appropriate rewards, being able to abandon them if you want and make it so that no one can push that quest in your face until you accept it i.e. you kick that lil' girl and make her go away and stop bothering you with her sick brother...
The point is... all those flaws about side-quests can be easily fixed and except calling them stupid and trowing them away they should try to make them better so that it makes game world more colorful with more stuff to do and not just finish the main quest and then go kill stuff...

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

You're cool. Not capitalizing Christianity or Jesus. Jesus is a name, no matter if you look at it religiously or not. But whatever, you are a hardcore badass who has bad grammar. But it's okay, you're a badass.

Just... erm... you missed the point of not capitalizing those words you idiot -.-

 

[ali1238]

Re: Religion?

There is much wrong with your argument. Especially the part of your argument that has nothing to do with my argument.So you know, that's like saying that sex only occurs in my bedroom because I only have sex in my bedroom, even if the idea of sex was conjured up by someone else and somewhere else in some other time.

Wow, thats what I would be calling a prime example of the continuum fallacy. It can be called a part of British lore as it is in British lore, it is also a part of many other areas lore... That was a silly and nonsensical metaphor if I have ever seen one.

Oh yes it does. Ever seen The Craft? Or The Crow? That is the extent to which suspension of disbelief works in our world. Beyond that and you have Matrix Revolutions, At World's End, and various other movies that left me with a look on my face that was like, 'wut'. But if the Albion in the Fable universe is in a galaxy far, far away and the events that took place there were a long time ago, that opens more doors. Where did Harry Potter live? Where did the events in the Star Wars universe take place? Where is Hyrule? Suspension of disbelief that includes heavy uses of magic, magical beings, or anything supernatural relies on being separate from the real world and so should not be based specifically on things of a single place in our world of a single time period in our world. Otherwise, they might as well just call it Ye Olde England, get rid of all things mythical and mystical, and make it a full blown "life simulator" where the most exciting thing that happens takes place in a local tavern and involves a drunk's retelling of his day... which can actually get pretty entertaining... but that's not a game.

Honestly if you can't see Albion is based of British lore, then I am stumped. I could recreate my town in an area and add magic, it is still my town now isn't it? Or I could base an area on the people I see some where, are they still not based upon those people if I add magic? I am not saying Albion is England but based upon it.

 

[Lithary]

Re: Religion?

Dear JohnDoe... I suppose you call your self an idiot since Skotekal isn't... anyway...
You're really talking nonsense because I never said that main quest line isn't important because it is... it is more important that side quests and similar stuff... I was just saying that side quest are nothing bad...
They have their flaws, but those are all stuff that can be fixed...
What you are saying is that one should drop whole side quest thing because it's not working out witch is proof that you are an idiot...
When something is not working out one should try to fix it and not get rid of it...
I have to admit do that due to my dyslexia I'm having trouble communicating over net... especially since English is not my mother tongue...
But the point is... I do understand more than you think... I'm just having trouble writing down my opinion properly...
To put it simple...
Priority goes to main quest over all...
Side quests are nice add on that shouldn't be ignored, but worked on to make game world more interesting, but should not be given any priority over main quest and not be used as excuse for poor gameplay time due to the poor main quest... and those side quests should be made purely optional without any obligation for them and ability to ignore them completely if you want...
Bottom line... it's ok if it's done properly!
So don't try to eliminate something if it sucks now and try to improve it!

 

[ali1238]

Re: Religion?

Very good, glad you caught that actually. The problem in calling it British lore is that doing so implies that it is solely British lore and that only the British have that lore. How about we call it lore having to do with dragons or simply dragon lore?

This is what I wanted to say earlier, but it wasn't clever or funny at all in comparison.And you too are missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that they very well could very loosely base the game off of lore that appears throughout the world including Great Britain but they shouldn't identify Albion with the UK. Doing so makes Albion not Albion but instead the UK and that places restrictions on game possibilities because there are things that should be possible in Albion but aren't possible in the UK. It needs to be different enough that the UK isn't the first thing we think of when hearing the word Albion while playing Fable.

Are you following? The UK is in our universe, with our rules and our reality, and as such, basing a game location off of the UK to the point that we identify with it as the UK will disrupt the suspension of disbelief whenever we encounter something that doesn't sit right when playing the game. My suspension of disbelief is very, very limited as it is, and my experience with AoE3 was completely and utterly destroyed when I saw Arabs allying themselves with Aztecs and mercenaries and pirates against what might as well have been called the Axis of Evil in order to destroy the Fountain of Youth. That's too much. But if it were to have taken place in its own universe separate from our own, that's totally cool. I'd have been down with that.

Tell me you understand, and if you don't, lie to me.

So basically we can clarify this has been a giant mis-understanding and we pretty much agree. Also I had edited my post due to the poor phrasing earlier so please don't take offense from it. I understand the need to Albion to have many defining features of its own other wise it wouldn't be Albion anymore.

 

[halfgod]

Re: Religion?

john dude....... dont make those walls of texts there hard to read.
Secondly Lithary you have made me sad when you said that you were dyslectic so instead of being a total **** to you im gonna say it in a nice way (my intend is not to be an asshole in this texts, like your dyslectic so your stupid or something):
I mean that i dont value your opinion in certain topics (your not the only one)
Ill explain, there was a guy somewhere on this forum that said like some ok ideas but then he goes all crazy like: and then i want (if your really evil) your dog to grow wings and horns and bat**** insane............. Then i just think like dude wtf calm down......
Or ppl who want to change fable in oblivion (nuff said)
you know what, im just gonna start a new thread somewhere in the future about how i want to improve fable and what should be in it (and what not)

Edit: yeah sorry about this shizzle right here, im tired (yep i sometimes surf the internet at night , we're called internet ninja's, we eat all your cookies when ur asleep (some dickhead stole them from our side)
I need to go to bed.....lol