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[Arld]

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No. I'm absolutely right. Regrettably, I don't have the money to dick around taking fun courses that interest me (history, writing). I just want/have to go through and get my degree so I can start working. Yeah, it's a bleak outlook; but so what? This **** is expensive.

And... your last paragraph sounds incredibly obnoxious. Trust me, I know-- it takes one to know one.

This is yet another typical statement of one who seems to/wants to destroy his/her future. I'm sorry, but I still think you're being wrong. Money problem? EXACTLY. You can't get a job, indeed, if you don't care for your future/study! Of course, but I'd doubt some ignorant person would acknowledge this kind of stuff.

I almost never study, not out of ignorance, or out of the simple fact that I do not really care, I just don't normally need to.

Ehm... you don't care for your study/future? I seriously can't believe how people look that easy at something like this. Look at some bloody people in 3rd world countries who can't even go to school. They'd do a murder to go to school and get a proper future.
People who don't care about school or their future, shouldn't be able to get a job. Not even garbage-man. This isn't only directed towards you, but also others who don't care.

Putting that minor note aside, you are quite correct in your second paragraph. Unfortunately, many individuals (myself included) lack self-discipline, and let their imaginations consume them. This, however, has the potential to be beneficial. With a highly active imagination, and a proper "edumacation," as you so eloquently put it, you could perhaps work for game studios such as Lionhead or Bungie as a game developer. Still, this requires self-discipline, and thus is highly improbable.

Lack self-discipline? Oh COME ON, seriously. That's the poorest excuse I've ever heard from a person. Lacking self-discipline... oh god. I really don't know what to say about that, but it's just the most poor excuse I've ever heard, and I don't think a proper person should use such an excuse.

About the imagination bit, where you could become a Game Developer - you are 100% correct, indeed. But look at the straight facts - with a diploma, whether it's at a universitair-level or not, you can become anything you want. At least, if there are available spots left.
You can follow different directions. Personally I'm studying at a Universitair level, and I'm proud o' that. Not many get the oppotunity to do so, which is something I respect to the utter most. As I've said before; those who don't want to study or don't care for it, shouldn't deserve to get a job, or future.

That's all I have to say for now. Any disagreements? I'd like to hear them.

 

[Ninjanoob509]

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personaly i use video games to escape the reality, but not in the sence that most of you will take this... i use video games to think, about life, futer anything and everthing that has been going on... most people who know me see me on my 360/ps3/computer pritty much all the time... school, girlfriend, video games thats how i live pritty much every day. granted most people dont do this and do just play none stop and wast time but for me its completaly different... since i started playing video games like i do (pritty much nonstop) I've done better in school and everthing, education is important to me and personaly it easy, and i agree with DataHero people who don't want to study or don't care for it, shouldn't deserve to get a job, or future, it takes away the potental jobs for thouse of use who do study and work hard for what we want to do...

i have a pritty larg immagination and playing video games makes it even larger, i have come up with some pritty brillian ideas when playing video games...

 

[Walker]

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This is yet another typical statement of one who seems to/wants to destroy his/her future. I'm sorry, but I still think you're being wrong. Money problem? EXACTLY. You can't get a job, indeed, if you don't care for your future/study! Of course, but I'd doubt some ignorant person would acknowledge this kind of stuff.

I will refrain from insulting you, except to say that you're oblivious. I didn't say that I didn't care about school. What I said was that I didn't enjoy school. Two very different things.

Sorry, but working my ass off to meet the requirements to transfer into the University of Maryland's school of engineering or to another university's school of engineering; hammering chemistry and math into my brain by dint of doing it over... and over... and over again, reading my book repeatedly and going to extra lectures because the lecturer whose class I'm actually in sucks; as well as working as many hours as I possibly can at my job (which is only 24 every two weeks, but still); as well as paying for all my college on my own, even if I get to live at home for free and borrow my dad's car to get to school; none of this is my idea of fun-- but it's neccesary.

And yes, it sounds like I'm bragging/a whiny little bitch. Too bad.

Oh, and please stop calling me ignorant.

 

[Arld]

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I will refrain from insulting you, except to say that you're oblivious. I didn't say that I didn't care about school. What I said was that I didn't enjoy school. Two very different things.

Those are two very different things indeed. My apologies for misunderstanding your previous post.

Sorry, but working my ass off to meet the requirements to transfer into the University of Maryland's school of engineering or to another university's school of engineering; hammering chemistry and math into my brain by dint of doing it over... and over... and over again, reading my book repeatedly and going to extra lectures because the lecturer whose class I'm actually in sucks; as well as working as many hours as I possibly can at my job (which is only 24 every two weeks, but still); as well as paying for all my college on my own, even if I get to live at home for free and borrow my dad's car to get to school; none of this is my idea of fun-- but it's neccesary.

Well, if you're actually doing your best to improve your lifestyle, study, job, etc. then I'll respect that.

Oh, and please stop calling me ignorant.

It wasn't really meant to you, but in general. Sorry, but I'm terribly obsessed if it comes to study. I can 'flip-out' very easily.

Anyway...Fair enough for showing me your point, and I guess I have nothing to say about that.

 

[Father of Skorm]

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Lack self-discipline? Oh COME ON, seriously. That's the poorest excuse I've ever heard from a person. Lacking self-discipline... oh god. I really don't know what to say about that, but it's just the most poor excuse I've ever heard, and I don't think a proper person should use such an excuse.

I'm not sure (I can't read the minds of those ppl out there) but I at least didn't interpret it as an excuse. Sometimes a lack of self discipline can be a genuine reason, and (in rare cases not in any way related to this circumstance) can be associated with a mental disease (don't ask me the name, because I don't know and it isn't important for this statement *note the avoidance of the word 'argument'). If you have never had to exercise self-discipline, you lack it. it takes time and can be incredibly painful, but it can be developed. There are obviously degrees of this.

 

[dorvan Silrac]

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I'm not sure (I can't read the minds of those ppl out there) but I at least didn't interpret it as an excuse. Sometimes a lack of self discipline can be a genuine reason...

Actually, a reason IS technically an excuse, so I'm inclined to agree with him/her.

 

[Angel]

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There is. It's called books.

Now come on Walker - you should know me well enough by now to realise that this goes without saying

You think school/college is not fun? You're most likely wrong. School is the best thing you can ever experience. My life would be nothing without College, and I'm not planning to stop until my very last year of possibility. All life would be boring without study, and even more if you don't like school/college. I don't know if you've rounded-up yer study, but if you didn't; trust me, you will regret it once you're around the age of 30-40.

As for the gaming-addiction bit; I don't let games interfere with my real life issue either. I think it's rather pathetic, and I won't show anyone mercy, as it's a little thing called discipline.

HATED education. REALLY hated it. Could not get out of there fast enough and never wanted to go to Uni, so I have no feeling of missing out. Had no idea what I wanted to do after A Levels and still don't know, so I do what I like instead. I work, I pay my way and I enjoy myself immensely on a daily basis - I'm just not somebody who enjoys learning, in this context. College was awesome, don't get me wrong, but I simply did not want to study anymore. If I want to learn about something, I'll do it myself - I just can't be bothered for the most part. My jobs do not require a degree, I have certification in all the elements that are necessary and the rest I pick up as I go along. Inbetween all that stuff, I do what I please and largely ignore the outside world

I almost never study, not out of ignorance, or out of the simple fact that I do not really care, I just don't normally need to.

Even at school/college I did not need to study - I was told the facts, I read them through a couple of times and bam! Instant recollection on exam day. I did very well at school and have not needed about 80% of that education since then, but there ya go. It's just not for me - irresponsible attitude to have or not, it's how it is for me. If there was a system whereby those who refuse the opportunity for Uni can hand over what would have been their grant to someone who could not otherwise afford to go, then I would have signed up straight away and let someone else have the education they desired which I had no need for.

 

[laharl]

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Now come on Walker - you should know me well enough by now to realise that this goes without saying


HATED education. REALLY hated it. Could not get out of there fast enough and never wanted to go to Uni, so I have no feeling of missing out. Had no idea what I wanted to do after A Levels and still don't know, so I do what I like instead. I work, I pay my way and I enjoy myself immensely on a daily basis - I'm just not somebody who enjoys learning, in this context. College was awesome, don't get me wrong, but I simply did not want to study anymore. If I want to learn about something, I'll do it myself - I just can't be bothered for the most part. My jobs do not require a degree, I have certification in all the elements that are necessary and the rest I pick up as I go along. Inbetween all that stuff, I do what I please and largely ignore the outside world


Even at school/college I did not need to study - I was told the facts, I read them through a couple of times and bam! Instant recollection on exam day. I did very well at school and have not needed about 80% of that education since then, but there ya go. It's just not for me - irresponsible attitude to have or not, it's how it is for me. If there was a system whereby those who refuse the opportunity for Uni can hand over what would have been their grant to someone who could not otherwise afford to go, then I would have signed up straight away and let someone else have the education they desired which I had no need for.

to put it simply, school sucks

 

[Arseface]

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School is perhaps the greatest development in human history (discarding all the basics, fire, the wheel and so on). It allows for human beings to function properly in todays world. You learn almost all of you basic skills at school, and gain alot of important knowledge. I would not like to see anyone have to try without it.

That aside, school is also one of the most enjoyable things for me. Not necessarily the learning (although I do enjoy discussing things with my more learned teachers, and arguing with the stupid ones), but the socialising. You tend to make great friends at school and it's only when you leave and everyone goes their seperate ways that you really start to miss it.

That came from a 17 year old btw.

 

[Walker]

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HATED education. REALLY hated it. Could not get out of there fast enough and never wanted to go to Uni, so I have no feeling of missing out. Had no idea what I wanted to do after A Levels and still don't know, so I do what I like instead. I work, I pay my way and I enjoy myself immensely on a daily basis - I'm just not somebody who enjoys learning, in this context. College was awesome, don't get me wrong, but I simply did not want to study anymore. If I want to learn about something, I'll do it myself - I just can't be bothered for the most part. My jobs do not require a degree, I have certification in all the elements that are necessary and the rest I pick up as I go along. Inbetween all that stuff, I do what I please and largely ignore the outside world


Even at school/college I did not need to study - I was told the facts, I read them through a couple of times and bam! Instant recollection on exam day. I did very well at school and have not needed about 80% of that education since then, but there ya go. It's just not for me - irresponsible attitude to have or not, it's how it is for me. If there was a system whereby those who refuse the opportunity for Uni can hand over what would have been their grant to someone who could not otherwise afford to go, then I would have signed up straight away and let someone else have the education they desired which I had no need for.

School is perhaps the greatest development in human history (discarding all the basics, fire, the wheel and so on). It allows for human beings to function properly in todays world. You learn almost all of you basic skills at school, and gain alot of important knowledge. I would not like to see anyone have to try without it.

That aside, school is also one of the most enjoyable things for me. Not necessarily the learning (although I do enjoy discussing things with my more learned teachers, and arguing with the stupid ones), but the socialising. You tend to make great friends at school and it's only when you leave and everyone goes their seperate ways that you really start to miss it.

That came from a 17 year old btw.

Not to sound like a sanctimonious twit, but this is why I find this forum entertaining-- we have such a wild divergence of views. Also, we're way off-topic, but what the hell.

Angel, I have the feeling I've asked this before, but I'll ask again... what exactly are you talking about? You went to college... but not to uni(versity?) Here, you go through thirteen years of elementary, middle, and high school; then either you go to a college (or university, they're basically the same thing) to get a degree or you go get a job. It usually takes about 4-5 years of undergraduate education for engineering, journalism, whatever; then, depending on the job you go on to graduate school to get whatever higher degrees you need, and that usually takes 2-4 years.

And... your grant? What exactly is that? Is that just need-based grants from the government, like the ones we can get from the feds or (in my case) the Maryland State Board of Education; or something else? (Note on those: I hate them. I'm paying for my own college, and I am POOR, but because the FAFSA (the grant application thing) bases it on your parent's income rather than yours, it said I could only get aid for above 8,000 dollars or so... and the University of Maryland charges 7,000 some a year.

Arseface-- socializing. Possibly, but I suck at it. Which kinda kills that aspect.

And Angel, out of curiosity, what are these jobs you speak of?

 

[CertainDeath]

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It's unfortunate how many young people these days disregard education. Where I live, more and more people are quite happy going on the dole and expecting the world to revolve around their needs.

 

[Walker]

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It's unfortunate how many young people these days disregard education. Where I live, more and more people are quite happy going on the dole and expecting the world to revolve around their needs.

Of course they are. Are all the immigrants coming and taking your jobs and ruining the economy and not learning your language, too? How 'bout the Catholics, are they still causing trouble? Or is it the Muslims the paranoia latches onto these days?

Sorry, comparing your comment to bigotry makes no sense. Comparing your comment to something that I've never seen any vaguely reasonable support for, on the other hand, is fine.

 

[CertainDeath]

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Of course, you live in the exact same small town where I do, where the majority of youth do disregard education, and live on the dole rather than find a job, so you are qualified to dismiss my statement, aren't you? Notice the use of the word "most" rather than "all".

You seem to be an intelligent person, so I doubt you would make the highly moronic assumption that all towns and cities in the world correlate exactly with your perception of it.

Is that a reasonable statement to make?

 

[ali1238]

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Well, this isn't your super-secret club, so save the tardtalk for /b/, eh?

Never claim it as my club. I just know about /b/ from friends, I have only been on once o twice. Some of the **** there just put me off. One line it aint much tard talk though.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Angel, I have the feeling I've asked this before, but I'll ask again... what exactly are you talking about? You went to college... but not to uni(versity?) Here, you go through thirteen years of elementary, middle, and high school; then either you go to a college (or university, they're basically the same thing) to get a degree or you go get a job. It usually takes about 4-5 years of undergraduate education for engineering, journalism, whatever; then, depending on the job you go on to graduate school to get whatever higher degrees you need, and that usually takes 2-4 years.

We have Primary School which is 6 years (Age 5-11), High School which is 5 years (Age 11-16), then either 12th Form or College(16+) and then after College you go to University. Cant get into University without some form of college grades here. I liked school for the social interaction and learnt a lot and got plenty of qualifications as well as College. However our High School was mainly known for fighting and anti-social behaviour :lol:. So main thing i learnt there was how to look after myself, but wont say much was an enjoyable experience. :lol:

 

[Arld]

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We have Primary School which is 6 years (Age 5-11), High School which is 5 years (Age 11-16), then either 12th Form or College(16+) and then after College you go to University. Cant get into University without some form of college grades here.

^Exactly.

But as I've said before; I still dislike the fact many people do not care for it. However, now that I've seen some of your views on this matter... it still didn't change my mind, except about what Angel has said.

What I am going to say to you all, with caps, whether you're the one I mean or not, is...

LEARN LEARN LEARN LEARN. STUDY IS YOUR LIFE.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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^Exactly.

But as I've said before; I still dislike the fact many people do not care for it. However, now that I've seen some of your views on this matter... it still didn't change my mind, except about what Angel has said.

What I am going to say to you all, with caps, whether you're the one I mean or not, is...

LEARN LEARN LEARN LEARN. STUDY IS YOUR LIFE.

Yeah the people who dont want to learn and dont want to try with their studies usually live to regret it. They dont have to like them or enjoy being there so long as they get some good qualifications. Otherwise might find themselves in a really bad situation later in life with no job prospects, not always the case but ive seen it quite often.

 

[Walker]

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Of course, you live in the exact same small town where I do, where the majority of youth do disregard education, and live on the dole rather than find a job, so you are qualified to dismiss my statement, aren't you? Notice the use of the word "most" rather than "all".

You seem to be an intelligent person, so I doubt you would make the highly moronic assumption that all towns and cities in the world correlate exactly with your perception of it.

Is that a reasonable statement to make?

No. I simply think you're exaggerating the idiocy of your local peers. And yes, I am qualified to dismiss your statement. For the same reason I can dismiss any statement that is patently ludicrous. No one WANTS to be on welfare. There might be a very few who do, but I doubt it. Now, you might be able to say that all your peers are bums who mooch off their parents. That I might accept.

They do. Every one of them. I am all-knowing and omniscient. Didn't you know that?

And Drakan, thanks. What exactly do you do in college?

 

[CertainDeath]

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Did I say they consciously wanted to be on welfare? Because as far as I can see, I said they were happy to be. Maybe you misunderstood my statement. To be happy to be on welfare isn't to actively WANT to be on welfare, but not to have a problem being on welfare. What I meant was that they were content with being on welfare.

Now, I don't believe my initial statement was as ludicrous as you make it out to be. I happen to know a great many people, and the majority are content to settle for welfare and passing off responsibility. This I know for a FACT.

Argue with me all you want, I am right and you will never convince me of any different.

 

[dorvan Silrac]

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Agree to disagree. Your ranting may be funny, but it is also annoying. Especially when it seems like it is not going to end.