Why do Lionhead keep ditching all the old regions?

[Sir Robin]

I don't enjoy insulting others but when they constantly pluck my nerves, what exactly do you expect? That I throw candy and confetti at them?

Don't I wish! There'd be candy and streamers everywhere! Mmmm...

 

[MaleficRaven]

Don't I wish! There'd be candy and streamers everywhere! Mmmm...

In that case, I'm going to start throwing candy corn at you. Hope you enjoy it.

:devil:

 

[Archmenel]

Back on course:

I mentioned something several days ago that smacked of insufferable laziness in my view, which has not been mentioned here in any form:

'If there were some bloody consistency with the maps.

From what I gathered when playing Fable II and comparing that map to Fable - Rookridge and the Temple of Shadows was nearly direct North of Bowerstone (Gibbet Woods and Windmill Hill, South of Bargate), which isn't even shown on the Fable III map. NOTE: Which could be considered acceptable, as there is clearly more land shadowed up there...perhaps we simply cannot visit that region for reasons unknown.

Bower Lake, Millfields, was supposed to be East, which it is. The same with Brightwall, Mistpeak, and the Dweller Camp - they are all new and, somewhat, interesting places. Good on Lionhead.

Mourningwood looks to be in the middle - between Bower Lake and Bowerstone. As far as I've observed, we've done nothing in that region as past Heroes. So Mourningwood doesn't bother me either.

That would place Driftwood where the Bandit Coast was, Silverpines clearly in/or before Brightwood.

The Chapel of Skorm from Fable was located in Darkwood, which became the southern most part of Brightwood/Wraithmarsh (as they are connected but not by roads), correct? Which should be South and East from Bowerstone. And does not exist, whatsoever. That huge expanse is completely missing. Ugh, this map *bites lip*.

These maps have me miffed, I confess. Just why are the four sections of Bowerstone so far apart now? How is there enough room on this compacted map for a Brightwood/Greatwood to exist? Let alone the region that was once known as Darkwood/Oakvale (Wraithmarsh), and Twinblade's Region/Bloodstone.

If anyone has a copy of the maps from Fable and Fable II, take a look. Then glimpse at the map table in Fable III and compare. They cut an entire piece, nearly half of Albion off...completely, so they could throw that giant plane of sand into the game.

Not much bothers me; I can understand little contradictions but how can you do this to a map? The in-game books from Fable II attempted to rectify many of the inconsistencies with our previous journey by taking notice of the shoddy work conducted by previous generations - fine, yes I can comprehend that - consider what early maps in the real world looked like. Yes, thank you for covering yourself there Lionhead. However, for a map to change so drastically in a little over a generation - for an entire region to disappear and suddenly a new continent being shoved against it. Pah.

Bad work. Not good at all. And shame on Lionhead. Keep a little consistency, please. Some of us have completed far too many playthroughs with each of the previous releases, and are also very good with direction/maps and think it not too much to ask that they be kept somewhat believable.'


It isn't so much that we cannot visit old regions at the moment (however much I would like to cling to the faint hope that DLC will permit us to) it is more the fact that the map is completely mangled, compacted, and undeniably misshapen. I consider this to be lazy work on Lionhead's part. Instead of appreciating the 'inaccurate' map from Fable, the more appropriate topographical map from Fable II, and combining them to make the best description overall, as we are now in a very modern era - they chose the easy route. They wanted so badly to throw in this exciting new dust-bowl that half of the bloody map was chopped completely off to make room.

The game overall, I did not despise. However, I am not impressed, for what it is worth. And I am easy to impress with nearly all things...excluding the intense and probably not healthy habit to critique people's speech, holding moral expections of acquaintances a bit higher than they feel comfortable with, and demanding the centre of my meat to be cooked with just the right amount of pink showing.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Are you saying there's no truth to my post? That you don't see how they act? I'm not perfect and I've never claimed to be that way but you completely ignore their behavior and focus on mine for whatever reason. Am I argumentative? Sure. I love finding out the truth and I enjoy a good debate. I don't enjoy insulting others but when they constantly pluck my nerves, what exactly do you expect? That I throw candy and confetti at them?

I dont agree with the fact you 'think' most the respected members here are trolls no. They are respected for helping others and they wouldnt have respect from anyone if they were trolls. We dont ignore peoples behaviour but you are an antagonist and always seem to find ways to stoke up a fire from nothing and since the new forum update we have had 4-6 forum reports in a matter of weeks. However everytime you pop up and trouble starts we end up with 3x that amount & every one of the cases has involved you someone. Now how can we simply ignore that...?

 

[Sir Robin]

In that case, I'm going to start throwing candy corn at you. Hope you enjoy it.

:devil:

If we're going to be throwing stale old lady candy like that, I'd prefer circus peanuts myself.

 

[HelloFriend]

Don't I wish! There'd be candy and streamers everywhere! Mmmm...

Yeah, but think about what could happen with all that candy flying everywhere. We wouldn't want anyone to get hit in the eye. And all those streamers on the floor just asking to be tripped on! Can anyone say fire hazard?

 

[Purple Nurple]

Back on course:

I mentioned something several days ago that smacked of insufferable laziness in my view, which has not been mentioned here in any form:

'If there were some bloody consistency with the maps.

From what I gathered when playing Fable II and comparing that map to Fable - Rookridge and the Temple of Shadows was nearly direct North of Bowerstone (Gibbet Woods and Windmill Hill, South of Bargate), which isn't even shown on the Fable III map. NOTE: Which could be considered acceptable, as there is clearly more land shadowed up there...perhaps we simply cannot visit that region for reasons unknown.

Bower Lake, Millfields, was supposed to be East, which it is. The same with Brightwall, Mistpeak, and the Dweller Camp - they are all new and, somewhat, interesting places. Good on Lionhead.

Morningwood looks to be in the middle - between Bower Lake and Bowerstone. As far as I've observed, we've done nothing in that region as past Heroes. So Mourningwood doesn't bother me either.

That would place Driftwood where the Bandit Coast was, Silverpines clearly in/or before Brightwood.

The Chapel of Skorm from Fable was located in Darkwood, which became the southern most part of Brightwood/Wraithmarsh (as they are connected but not by roads), correct? Which should be South and East from Bowerstone. And does not exist, whatsoever. That huge expanse is completely missing. Ugh, this map *bites lip*.

These maps have me miffed, I confess. Just why are the four sections of Bowerstone so far apart now? How is there enough room on this compacted map for a Brightwood/Greatwood to exist? Let alone the region that was once known as Darkwood/Oakvale (Wraithmarsh), and Twinblade's Region/Bloodstone.

If anyone has a copy of the maps from Fable and Fable II, take a look. Then glimpse at the map table in Fable III and compare. They cut an entire piece, nearly half of Albion off...completely, so they could throw that giant plane of sand into the game.

Not much bothers me; I can understand little contradictions but how can you do this to a map? The in-game books from Fable II attempted to rectify many of the inconsistencies with our previous journey by taking notice of the shoddy work conducted by previous generations - fine, yes I can comprehend that - consider what early maps in the real world looked like. Yes, thank you for covering yourself there Lionhead. However, for a map to change so drastically in a little over a generation - for an entire region to disappear and suddenly a new continent being shoved against it. Pah.

Bad work. Not good at all. And shame on Lionhead. Keep a little consistency, please. Some of us have completed far too many playthroughs with each of the previous releases, and are also very good with direction/maps and think it not too much to ask that they be kept somewhat believable.'


It isn't so much that we cannot visit old regions at the moment (however much I would like to cling to the faint hope that DLC will permit us to) it is more the fact that the map is completely mangled, compacted, and undeniably misshapen. I consider this to be lazy work on Lionhead's part. Instead of appreciating the 'inaccurate' map from Fable, the more appropriate topographical map from Fable II, and combining them to make the best description overall, as we are now in a very modern era - they chose the easy route. They wanted so badly to throw in this exciting new dust-bowl that half of the bloody map was chopped completely off to make room.

The game overall, I did not despise. However, I am not impressed, for what it is worth. And I am easy to impress with neary all things...excluding the intense and probably not healthy habit to critique people's speech, holding moral expections of acquaintances a bit higher than they feel comfortable with, and demanding the centre of my meat to be cooked with just the right amount of pink showing.

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOMBO-BREAKER!!!!

And GrimWhim, I DID try to be diplomatic. I sent you a PM saying that I genuinely felt upset you were banned, like others here, I've had good conversations with you, but it's the fact you try to weasel out of everything you ever do that ****es me off.

 

[Dracelix]

Back on course:

I mentioned something several days ago that smacked of insufferable laziness in my view, which has not been mentioned here in any form:

'If there were some bloody consistency with the maps.

From what I gathered when playing Fable II and comparing that map to Fable - Rookridge and the Temple of Shadows was nearly direct North of Bowerstone (Gibbet Woods and Windmill Hill, South of Bargate), which isn't even shown on the Fable III map. NOTE: Which could be considered acceptable, as there is clearly more land shadowed up there...perhaps we simply cannot visit that region for reasons unknown.

Bower Lake, Millfields, was supposed to be East, which it is. The same with Brightwall, Mistpeak, and the Dweller Camp - they are all new and, somewhat, interesting places. Good on Lionhead.

Morningwood looks to be in the middle - between Bower Lake and Bowerstone. As far as I've observed, we've done nothing in that region as past Heroes. So Mourningwood doesn't bother me either.

That would place Driftwood where the Bandit Coast was, Silverpines clearly in/or before Brightwood.

The Chapel of Skorm from Fable was located in Darkwood, which became the southern most part of Brightwood/Wraithmarsh (as they are connected but not by roads), correct? Which should be South and East from Bowerstone. And does not exist, whatsoever. That huge expanse is completely missing. Ugh, this map *bites lip*.

These maps have me miffed, I confess. Just why are the four sections of Bowerstone so far apart now? How is there enough room on this compacted map for a Brightwood/Greatwood to exist? Let alone the region that was once known as Darkwood/Oakvale (Wraithmarsh), and Twinblade's Region/Bloodstone.

If anyone has a copy of the maps from Fable and Fable II, take a look. Then glimpse at the map table in Fable III and compare. They cut an entire piece, nearly half of Albion off...completely, so they could throw that giant plane of sand into the game.

Not much bothers me; I can understand little contradictions but how can you do this to a map? The in-game books from Fable II attempted to rectify many of the inconsistencies with our previous journey by taking notice of the shoddy work conducted by previous generations - fine, yes I can comprehend that - consider what early maps in the real world looked like. Yes, thank you for covering yourself there Lionhead. However, for a map to change so drastically in a little over a generation - for an entire region to disappear and suddenly a new continent being shoved against it. Pah.

Bad work. Not good at all. And shame on Lionhead. Keep a little consistency, please. Some of us have completed far too many playthroughs with each of the previous releases, and are also very good with direction/maps and think it not too much to ask that they be kept somewhat believable.'


It isn't so much that we cannot visit old regions at the moment (however much I would like to cling to the faint hope that DLC will permit us to) it is more the fact that the map is completely mangled, compacted, and undeniably misshapen. I consider this to be lazy work on Lionhead's part. Instead of appreciating the 'inaccurate' map from Fable, the more appropriate topographical map from Fable II, and combining them to make the best description overall, as we are now in a very modern era - they chose the easy route. They wanted so badly to throw in this exciting new dust-bowl that half of the bloody map was chopped completely off to make room.

The game overall, I did not despise. However, I am not impressed, for what it is worth. And I am easy to impress with neary all things...excluding the intense and probably not healthy habit to critique people's speech, holding moral expections of acquaintances a bit higher than they feel comfortable with, and demanding the centre of my meat to be cooked with just the right amount of pink showing.

i agree, these new maps arent as characteristic as the fable 2 maps, with not as much notible rememberable landmarks, such as temples and towers like brightwood tower. and that it woudlnt be too hard, since they use the mostly same engine, to just import the landscapes with a few new textures taken from the new locations, and probably just "cut and paste" a few houses from like brightwall, and use them as the new houses for oakfield if it were to be released as dlc.

lionhead do seem to be very good at making unrealistically beatiful landscapes aswell, like inside the new demon doors, or places like the see the future oakvale, or lightwater from the baron quest.

 

[MaleficRaven]

I dont agree with the fact you 'think' most the respected members here are trolls no. They are respected for helping others and they wouldnt have respect from anyone if they were trolls. We dont ignore peoples behaviour but you are an antagonist and always seem to find ways to stoke up a fire from nothing and since the new forum update we have had 4-6 forum reports in a matter of weeks. However everytime you pop up and trouble starts we end up with 3x that amount & every one of the cases has involved you someone. Now how can we simply ignore that...?

And how many of those reports are actually true and not someone who just simply disagrees with me? How many of those reports actually have me breaking the rules and just being an overall ass to everyone? I'm willing to bet very, very few. Most of the time I am helpful, respectable and I do whatever I can to contribute. Sure, I could do so much better and I even tried doing that when I came back and like I said, it was working just fine. Again, I'm not perfect and I make mistakes like anyone else and I realize I've somewhat fallen back into old habits but that's because I'm the one being antagonized. They might be considered respectable members by some but they certainly cause trouble too but... I'm not going to talk about them like that. I have respect for them when they're not going out of their way to try and strike me down.

If we're going to be throwing stale old lady candy like that, I'd prefer circus peanuts myself.

Peanuts are not a candy...

 

[Dark Drakan]

And how many of those reports are actually true and not someone who just simply disagrees with me? How many of those reports actually have me breaking the rules and just being an overall ass to everyone? I'm willing to bet very, very few. Most of the time I am helpful, respectable and I do whatever I can to contribute. Sure, I could do so much better and I even tried doing that when I came back and like I said, it was working just fine. Again, I'm not perfect and I make mistakes like anyone else and I realize I've somewhat fallen back into old habits but that's because I'm the one being antagonized. They might be considered respectable members by some but they certainly cause trouble too but... I'm not going to talk about them like that. I have respect for them when they're not going out of their way to try and strike me down.

Tell you what, now this is a first so dont take this for granted and many people may be shocked by this action but i will do you a deal. Forget about whats been said in this thread and the arguments, make up with Purple and get back to being a productive member like you have shown you CAN be and cut out the arguing and stupid ****. You have a problem you talk to me and you can remain here. However if i see any more flaming or any other crap off you and such then i shall ban this account for good too and make it so you cant return. Deal?

 

[JBeach]

this thread seems to have gone horribly off topic - just sayin

 

[Sir Robin]

Peanuts are not a candy...

I mean these gooey, marshmallowey (maybe?) peanut-shaped lumps:

Though based on the caption, I guess you're right.

 

[Purple Nurple]

And how many of those reports are actually true and not someone who just simply disagrees with me? How many of those reports actually have me breaking the rules and just being an overall ass to everyone? I'm willing to bet very, very few.

Yes, because that many people MUST be wrong. Once again Grim, I find myself giving you advice. No doubt, you'll throw it back at me and berate me for it, like the last few times, but still, I feel it necessary.

I think you should take a step back, look at what has happened. You joined, cause alot of forum drama and hype. Hell, Cheez dedicated you in his forum history.
You got banned, and then rejoined. You got banned again.

Within a week of you joining again, people could tell it was you. I read your first post and immediately recognised you. Now, if you had been trying to change and become more diplomatic, this would not be the case. You're leaving a trail of destruction behind you and you can't take responsibility for it.

 

[Dark Drakan]

this thread seems to have gone horribly off topic - just sayin

Normal business shall resume shortly, just one matter to clear up then everyone can go about their routine as normal.

 

[Sir Robin]

this thread seems to have gone horribly off topic - just sayin

Archmenel tried valiantly to keep it on track. And I agree with everything he said, sadly. I just want so badly for Fable IV to bring the series back to what we know it is capable of. They have laid all the groundwork, all they need to do is expand on it. For instance, as Archmenel said, they have the basis for a really complete, detailed map between I and II - all they need to do is implement it. I for one am holding out hope that Fable IV will blow us all away with its return to the glory that was Fable I and (mostly) Fable II.

 

[MaleficRaven]

Tell you what, now this is a first so dont take this for granted and many people may be shocked by this action but i will do you a deal. Forget about whats been said in this thread and the arguments, make up with Purple and get back to being a productive member like you have shown you CAN be and cut out the arguing and you have a problem you talk to me and you can remain here. However if i see any more flaming and such then i shall ban this account for good too and make it so you cant return. Deal?

Considering the alternative... I think it's a very viable deal and if anyone is shocked, it's definitely me. However, does the making up with Purple thing absolutely have to happen? I don't like the guy, simple as that but I can very easily avoid him so as to not create anymore unnecessary drama and... well, I obviously won't insult him anymore so long as he agrees to do the same. I would like to know one thing... why is arguing so bad? I mean, I understand if it escalates and a lot of flaming happens but arguing that is civil and calm should be allowed.

I mean these gooey, marshmallowey (maybe?) peanut-shaped lumps:

Though based on the caption, I guess you're right.

Oh, those things. They're like... spongy demon spawn. I only buy them to throw at people.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Considering the alternative... I think it's a very viable deal and if anyone is shocked, it's definitely me. However, does the making up with Purple thing absolutely have to happen? I don't like the guy, simple as that but I can very easily avoid him so as to not create anymore unnecessary drama. I would like to know one thing... why is arguing so bad? I mean, I understand if it escalates and a lot of flaming happens but arguing that is civil and calm should be allowed

I dont care if you dont want to breathe the same air as him, agree to disagree and avoid each other much like children do on the playground when they cant get on. Debating is accepted, arguing like prepubescent children is not. It creates an unprofessional look on the boards, bad atmosphere and makes people feel uncomfortable posting so it shall not be permitted. Now get back to topic and get back to being a mature adult before i change my mind...

 

[MaleficRaven]

I dont care if you dont want to breathe the same air as him, agree to disagree and avoid each other much like children do on the playground when they cant get on. Debating is accepted, arguing like prepubescent children is not. It creates an unprofessional look on the boards, bad atmosphere and makes people feel uncomfortable posting so it shall not be permitted.

That's fine, I can deal with that. I'll avoid Purple, I'll stop the flaming and I'll reduce any antagonizing behavior I exude drastically.

 

[Dark Drakan]

That's fine, I can deal with that. I'll avoid Purple, I'll stop the flaming and I'll reduce any antagonizing behavior I exude drastically.

The stop talking a good game and simply prove it.

Archmenel tried valiantly to keep it on track.

Yeah and i appreciated that.

Carry on people

 

[Archmenel]

Archmenel tried valiantly to keep it on track. And I agree with everything he said, sadly. I just want so badly for Fable IV to bring the series back to what we know it is capable of. They have laid all the groundwork, all they need to do is expand on it. For instance, as Archmenel said, they have the basis for a really complete, detailed map between I and II - all they need to do is implement it. I for one am holding out hope that Fable IV will blow us all away with its return to the glory that was Fable I and (mostly) Fable II.

Why thank you *grins*.

I admit to holding a designated amount of hope (however small) that there are terrific plans for Fable IV as well. It isn't impossible that such a thing would happen.