Why Peter Molyneux Thinks Other RPG Games Are ****

[Tsuyu]

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Dont forget to meantion Nwn... thats a good game!

Not quite. Baldur's Gate, especially II, was based on version 2.5 or 2 whilst NwN ran on the new (and inferiour IMH) 3.5.... or perhaps 3.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Agreed, I thought Oblivion's was pretty smooth and fairly easy. I don't know what you people are expecting from a first-person action game but you can't expect a glorified combat system. In fact, it's pretty good for itself with the fact that you can do things like knock an opponent down or even disarm them. And if want to start on using the environment, think of the fact that you could use an enemies traps against them. Such as carrying(more like pulling) a log over a slope and when the enemy comes, drop it and let it roll.

Well said and +rep for pointing out the innovation behind it.

 

[Frostmourne]

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Oblivion's combat, to me, was a bit weak. And here's why:

In big combat situations, you could easily hit one of your comrades. Depending on your skill level with combat, you might just kill that person, and this leads to crime. There's also other little things, but that doesn't mean I think Oblivion is a bad game. I mean, combat isn't everything.

But Drakan, you're right with the experience of the combat. Then again, it is first person. And being first person, you're RIGHT there :lol: I get your point, though.

And I hope Fable 2 has that feeling of being right there in the action, you know irate:

 

[TRA Rotid]

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Though I`m not familiar with Oblivion, I liked Dark Messiah of Might and Magic combat.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Though I`m not familiar with Oblivion, I liked Dark Messiah of Might and Magic combat.

That was better than Oblivions combat but not as deep of a system and game was nowhere near as good. Used the Half Life 2 source engine quite well though and was underrated also.

 

[Rhadiel]

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hopefully they put more gracefulness into the combat patterns in Fable 2. *Katanas*

 

[Seigfreid]

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But Drakan, you're right with the experience of the combat. Then again, it is first person. And being first person, you're RIGHT there :lol: I get your point, though.

Oh hell no, don't you try and give him my credit!

And I can't help but agree that friendly hits were annoying and wasn't just you. In the Cheydinhal FG quest I've seen the Redguard with the bow take out the High Elf, which was needing to die as he got the orc killed; stupid fool pulled the trap logs on him, smushed him flat.

 

[Frostmourne]

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Oh hell no, don't you try and give him my credit!

And I can't help but agree that friendly hits were annoying and wasn't just you. In the Cheydinhal FG quest I've seen the Redguard with the bow take out the High Elf, which was needing to die as he got the orc killed; stupid fool pulled the trap logs on him, smushed him flat.

Haha, credit to you then :lol:
Alot of my friends button mash in Oblivion And I know it seemed the gamer was right there in the action, it wasn't enough. Fable 1 might not have been the same, but it was more rewarding, for me.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Haha, credit to you then :lol:
Alot of my friends button mash in Oblivion And I know it seemed the gamer was right there in the action, it wasn't enough. Fable 1 might not have been the same, but it was more rewarding, for me.

Cant button mash in Oblivion without getting *** kicked, Fable was much easier to button mash with.

 

[Seigfreid]

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Button mash in Oblivion? Drakan's right, if you even try to button mash, which I've done many times out of fustration(damned goblins get on my nerves) then you'll get your *** handed to you on a dwarven platter.

And allow me to explain why. Its becuase the fact that in Oblivion, by blocking you can counter an enemy's attack and cuase the to fluster. If you try to go "psycho crazy sword master" on say a goblin. They'll easily block your attack and then strike back about 20 times in return. This kinda thing is especially nasty against bandits who are carrying around a dwarven warhammer; you can watch that health of yours go bye-bye.

Now as in Fable, there is still knock-back, but not as effective. Though, the enemy can still get a few good hits on you before you recover.

 

[Albion Knight]

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Oh man Fable 2 is just sounding better and better. I am so dieing to play it. If the combat is as good as it sounds Peter Molyneux will be justified in saying that all other RPG combat is rubbish

 

[Dark Drakan]

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Oh man Fable 2 is just sounding better and better. I am so dieing to play it. If the combat is as good as it sounds Peter Molyneux will be justified in saying that all other RPG combat is rubbish

Just a shame that Fables combat was so basic as it was just a button bash system for the most part

 

[Albion Knight]

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Just a shame that Fables combat was so basic as it was just a button bash system for the most part

Yeah, I think he's including Fable in the "All RPG's combat is rubbish" comment. I am so looking forward to this game!!!!

 

[Ishrin]

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Co-Sign Albion Knight, I really hope he lives up to his words THIS TIME. Although Fable 1 was the **** XDD

 

[Frostmourne]

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Button mash in Oblivion? Drakan's right, if you even try to button mash, which I've done many times out of fustration(damned goblins get on my nerves) then you'll get your *** handed to you on a dwarven platter.

And allow me to explain why. Its becuase the fact that in Oblivion, by blocking you can counter an enemy's attack and cuase the to fluster. If you try to go "psycho crazy sword master" on say a goblin. They'll easily block your attack and then strike back about 20 times in return. This kinda thing is especially nasty against bandits who are carrying around a dwarven warhammer; you can watch that health of yours go bye-bye.

Now as in Fable, there is still knock-back, but not as effective. Though, the enemy can still get a few good hits on you before you recover.

Hmm...can't really understand, for my friend Jack beat it with pretty dumbass button mashing. Does that mean Oblivion is a bad game? No. It's just like Fable 2, you hand the combat YOUR way.

Although Peter M might not have told the truth about most of his dreams and things to put in Fable 1, he has really good ideas! I mean, I love Fable 2 so far above every other RPG solely for its unique and innovative viewpoint. We'll just have to see.

I aggree that there weren't that many combos in Oblivion. But hey, a few slashes and spells, no harm ^_^

 

[Seigfreid]

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Ok...I'm confused now. Are you sure your reading the right post? I don't think I said anything about Oblivion being a bad game or it having not that many combos or something. I never said you couldn't beat the games by button mashing, it just makes it a little more complicated. Anything else I can't think...me am not...BIRDS!

 

[-Ravan-]

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I get along with most the Combat systems of games. I do hope he delivers on the environment part, one of the only games I've seen that was Blood Rayne 2. As you could use a chain to throw a victim into various things in the room, i.e Sharp spike, Furnace, and varying Machinery that was still in operation till a body entered the fray. The other thing was that KotOR although a great game i felt was let down to the combat. The only game i've seen to massively achieve what PM is after in a role play is Jade Empire, but even that had faults.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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The other thing was that KotOR although a great game i felt was let down to the combat.

I actually quite liked the combat once you had got your head around it, i think real time action based combat wouldnt have fit that game and their system was quite good.

 

[-Ravan-]

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I would have like the Jade Empire idea. I think it would have helped it a little especially in Lightsabre Combat. But obviously it didn't go that way, I'm not saying it's not good how it is it's fantastic, but i felt a little let down.

 

[Dark Drakan]

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I would have like the Jade Empire idea. I think it would have helped it a little especially in Lightsabre Combat. But obviously it didn't go that way, I'm not saying it's not good how it is it's fantastic, but i felt a little let down.

Jade Empire was more an action RPG though, KotOR was all about the choices, story and dialog etc and paths you could take not about pushing fast paced combat into your face. I do see what your saying but as the style of RPG it was i dont think Jade Empire style combat would have fit with it.