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Something that's been on my mind lately is what people will be learning about in history classes covering this time period? i'm interested in both an international point of view or a bias of your country.
the terrorism scare? the evolving middle east? the rise of the internet?

i don't mean just politically. music and movies also seem to keep very specific track of their history. the 1950's had Citizen Kane, the 1970's had the Graduate, the 60s-70s had the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and the Beatles. this era will have it's prominent artists that people will be listening to 30 years from now, who do you think they will be?
 
I know the rise of technology is going to be a huge thing in history books. Think about it. 1910 was the official death of the "Cowboy Era". Riding horses, roping, and the whole wild west thing for America. ONLY a hundred years later, we're all sitting around on computers. 10 Years ago, I graduated High School and it doesn't feel like much has changed, but there has been A LOT that has happened in the world.

I can't think of any bands or artists to name, but I know Hip-Hop will definitely be strong in the future.
 
I'm just hoping that in 50 years or so, modern medicine will have progressed to the point where we have eminated ageing and death. Considering the rapid advance of technology today, it's not unforseeable.
 
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I definitely agree about the rise of technology. That'll be huge.

I think that this current "terrorism" scare and our involvement in the middle east will probably be looked at similarly to how the red scare and the Vietnam war are looked at now. Although, I can totally see the history books implying that all of that crap was righteous and benevolent. One can only hope that that doesn't happen.

I don't think any current bands or musicians will get into the history books. Classic rockers got in because they were a huge influence on the world around them, especially when it came to Vietnam. We might still have bands and artists that have songs protesting the same kinds of things (like Green Day), but they're not as big of an influence. Plus, that was pretty much the rise of rock and roll. Nobody had heard anything like some of the music that was being made in the 1960s. It was new. It was edgy. It was prohibited and frowned upon in some cases. We don't have anything like it now.
 
We'll probably be looked upon as an era of technological advancement and worldwide political turmoil/revolution. That is after the Communist regime envelopes the entire world and we reach an Orwellian utopia (or Dystopia depending on how you feel about it).
 
Bah, we're not overpopulated. We're just poorly managed.
i can't help but feel that's a pretty trivial argument. don't get me wrong, it has its truths, if we redivided everyone evenly we'd be fine and dandy in terms of how much space each person would have. but you also have to consider that some places aren't populated because they are undeveloped and presently uninhabitable.

We'll probably be looked upon as an era of technological advancement and worldwide political turmoil/revolution. That is after the Communist regime envelopes the entire world and we reach an Orwellian utopia (or Dystopia depending on how you feel about it).
you really think that would happen? i think Orwell scared everyone away from that with 1984 and scared everyone away from the solution to it with Animal Farm. if there's anything to be learned from that man, it's that someone will always get the short end of the stick. :lol:
 
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Bah, we're not overpopulated. We're just poorly managed.

Steven Hawking actually once said that if we haven't started colonising other planets by 2600, we'd be standing literally shoulder to shoulder.

But yeah, the war in the Middle East, the economic f**k-up, 911 and the rise of technology probably will get taught about. Also, something I have wondered: Hundreds of years from now, like in the year 4000, would they call this era the Middle Ages?
 
you really think that would happen? i think Orwell scared everyone away from that with 1984 and scared everyone away from the solution to it with Animal Farm. if there's anything to be learned from that man, it's that someone will always get the short end of the stick. :lol:

Ok I've never read 1984 or animal farm, but I keep hearing references these novels aswell as Orwell's name everywhere. Was just wondering if you could tell me what 1984 is about? I remember my philosophy teacher quoting it a few times, something about words getting censored from the dictionary etc. Should I get a copy, is it worth reading? I feel like I'm really missing out.
 
i can't help but feel that's a pretty trivial argument. don't get me wrong, it has its truths, if we redivided everyone evenly we'd be fine and dandy in terms of how much space each person would have. but you also have to consider that some places aren't populated because they are undeveloped and presently uninhabitable.

Once we master building and using arcologies, we'll be able to live pretty much anywhere on Earth (or other terrestrial planets, for that matter) in completely self sustaining environments which are able to house millions.

Steven Hawking actually once said that if we haven't started colonising other planets by 2600, we'd be standing literally shoulder to shoulder.

Stephen Hawking, as intelligent as he is, is an alarmist. The problem with all these overpopulation myths is that a) they assume that the human race will keep growing at the same rate, and b) that living conditions will remain the same into the far future.

With arcologies, our planet could probably sustain hundreds of billions, completely protected from the climate if need be.
 
Stephen Hawking, as intelligent as he is, is an alarmist. The problem with all these overpopulation myths is that a) they assume that the human race will keep growing at the same rate, and b) that living conditions will remain the same into the far future.

With arcologies, our planet could probably sustain hundreds of billions, completely protected from the climate if need be.

But as we can't tell what the climate will be like in the future, wouldn't Steve have to assume it's the same as it is now?

I could be wrong.

:steve:
 
Stephen Hawking, as intelligent as he is, is an alarmist. The problem with all these overpopulation myths is that a) they assume that the human race will keep growing at the same rate, and b) that living conditions will remain the same into the far future.

With arcologies, our planet could probably sustain hundreds of billions, completely protected from the climate if need be.

1) Chances are the Human race will reproduce faster or at the same rate.
2) Living conditions will fall below their current standard.
3)Arcologies seem like a load of work, and like only the rich are going to get in, wouldn't it be easier to send all the people from the lower levels of the social class system to a war? Or we could unleash that disease that only targets humans (as I had mentioned many threads ago) and just wipe out the human race? I mean, when you truly look at it, life, even human life is trivial and meaningless from an objective viewpoint.
 
But as we can't tell what the climate will be like in the future, wouldn't Steve have to assume it's the same as it is now?

I could be wrong.

:steve:

No, because we know that it's not going to be the same. The best we can do is look at past trends and make educated guesses

1) Chances are the Human race will reproduce faster or at the same rate.

Based on what? Trends have shown that middle classed couples and above tend to have less children. Bring the standard of education up, and population growth slows.

2) Living conditions will fall below their current standard.

Again, based n what? Some alarmist/pessimist view of the world and the human condition? Please.

3)Arcologies seem like a load of work, and like only the rich are going to get in, wouldn't it be easier to send all the people from the lower levels of the social class system to a war? Or we could unleash that disease that only targets humans (as I had mentioned many threads ago) and just wipe out the human race? I mean, when you truly look at it, life, even human life is trivial and meaningless from an objective viewpoint.

Have you ever noticed that you have a really negative view of humanity? Sure, all those things would technically work, but what would that achieve? Say all the evil businessmen send all the plebs to war. Then we're left with an useless upper class who are completely stagnant because they don't have anyone to order around. Say we all kill ourselves. Then what? The universe continues on as normal whatever happens. We may as well be a part of it, and try to do what we can for it.
 
No, because we know that it's not going to be the same. The best we can do is look at past trends and make educated guesses
the only past trends that are relevant and come to mind are these two:
1. the human race has and will continue to expand.
2. technological advances are of an unpredictable size and nature.

the human race will grow at the same or at a larger rate because as the population grows, so do the number of people who could produce offspring with one another. if you want to look at past trends, here's a graph supporting an exponential growth that has remained true for the past 4,000 years of human history.

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Based on what? Trends have shown that middle classed couples and above tend to have less children. Bring the standard of education up, and population growth slows.
it might slow down how fast the population could have been but without a global power to enforce restrictions to childbirth (and entering the realm of 1984) such a thing is literally impossible. i used to think it would be common sense that two people shouldn't have more than 2 kids. if people left the same amount of space they took up the population would stop growing and remain static. the fact is that most people don't think that way, and would rather have 3+ children. it's unrealistic to expect everyone would share your ideologies. speaking from personal experience, most people would prefer to regard the worlds problems the same way you regarded the numbers on that graph: out of sight, out of mind.


Again, based n what? Some alarmist/pessimist view of the world and the human condition? Please.
the statistics supporting his claims are sound. human growth growing exponentially. the number of resources declining are not things that you can just ignore and say "it'll all sort out when we develop the new technology".

if i let go of a rock and predict that it will hit the ground, i am not a pessimist/alarmist. i am someone who understands that gravity is an ever-present universal law that will only be avoided if someone invents a device that can make the rock float, builds it, and uses it on said rock before impact (providing they don't miss).

Have you ever noticed that you have a really negative view of humanity? Sure, all those things would technically work, but what would that achieve? Say all the evil businessmen send all the plebs to war. Then we're left with an useless upper class who are completely stagnant because they don't have anyone to order around. Say we all kill ourselves. Then what? The universe continues on as normal whatever happens. We may as well be a part of it, and try to do what we can for it.
but our existence is in the long run meaningless. there really is no better or worse, those are both concepts developed by the human condition. with us or without us the universe will continue doing what it does none the wiser. furthermore if we do not engage in population control, resources will decline and people will die anyway. even if you denounce his cynical claims we're still left with people killing each other for food. before you call me grim, realize that it's inevitable until we discover mass effect and join the universes intelligent beings in the citadel where we can start worrying about the threat of the reapers. ;)
 
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