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Coalition launches Libya attacks

Lets get the bastard, hang him, and then spend years worth of time and money trying to enforce democracy in a country which as deep-rooted cultural, religious and political bias towards it.
 
Hopefully the **** isn't going to hit the fan this time. They haven't sent ground troops in yet... though they'll probably find some excuse to send the troops in eventually.
 
I'm surprised that some of the people who have replied to this thread have even bothered, since they must not bother to watch the news.

The operation is nothing like Iraq. The 3 countries SelfAppointedGunslinger mentioned have waited for the UN's approval and are abiding by its rules and regulations. They are imposing a no-fly zone, and have destroyed anti-air defences controlled by Gadaffi Libya.

Gadaffi announced a ceasefire and a truce, which was a blatant lie to buy time against the UN, as he was full of it prior to the UN reaching a decision what with the "we will fight to the death" and whatnot. However, his forces have continued to fight the rebels.

There were also concerns that even if Gadaffi did stop fighting, he has enough men to surround the rebel town(s) and block any supplies coming in and stop anyone leaving. This would practically be a modern-day siege which the UN could do nothing about, as there is no military brutalisation being taken place.

I'm slightly sympathetic and annoyed at people who spout out garbage like "its for oil" or "they'll find some excuse", because they're the "enlightened" ones that don't watch the news but instead read the crap that is published in newspapers and take it as gospel.
 
Shirosaki said:
The operation is nothing like Iraq. The 3 countries you mentioned have waited for the UN's approval and are abiding by its rules and regulations. They are imposing a no-fly zone.
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Yes I know that, however they have launched missiles as well as air strikes at defenses in the capital and other citys. Never said it would be like Iraq, I merely meant I wouldn't be suprised if the situation ended up like that.
 
I hope that's not aimed at me, because is is very naive to think that the UN or what-have-you will not spend time and resources to try and get a proper democracy up and running in Libya once the dictator is disposed of. Libya, like Iraq, is a country founded and strong Islamic and Arab beliefs and trying to cram democracy and you can force it all you want but they aren't gonna take our Western democracy there.
 
SelfAppointedGunslinger said:
Yes I know that, however they have launched missiles as well as air strikes at defenses in the capital and other citys. Never said it would be like Iraq, I merely meant I wouldn't be suprised if the situation ended up like that.
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Tsuyu said:
I hope that's not aimed at me, because is is very naive to think that the UN or what-have-you will not spend time and resources to try and get a proper democracy up and running in Libya once the dictator is disposed of. Libya, like Iraq, is a country founded and strong Islamic and Arab beliefs and trying to cram democracy and you can force it all you want but they aren't gonna take our Western democracy there.
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Wasn't aimed at you Tsuyu, I have a bad habit of typing out a short post then editing it with corrections. My bad, sorry.

SAG, I know what you mean but I doubt that it will. The UK for one cannot afford another Iraq and our Prime Minister is easily swayed by the public. If any protests occurred in that event then I'm sure things would change.

Besides, Libya's rebels want change and have been willing to die for it. The majority of people who have been brainwashed by Gadaffi will probably become neutral after all this is over and change, hopefully for the better, will come.
 
Tsuyu said:
Lets get the bastard, hang him, and then spend years worth of time and money trying to enforce democracy in a country which as deep-rooted cultural, religious and political bias towards it.
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That's a great idea! Oh wait... what's been happening the past 10 years?
 
Shirosaki said:
I'm slightly sympathetic and annoyed at people who spout out garbage like "its for oil" or "they'll find some excuse", because they're the "enlightened" ones that don't watch the news but instead read the crap that is published in newspapers and take it as gospel.
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Nah, I don't entirely go with the whole "it's for oil and western gain" idea. I just don't dismiss it is all. I was more worried about future casualties for coalition troops aswell as civilians than anything. Not that I'm expecting it to escalate into anything like that again, like I said it just wouldn't suprise me.
 
My opinion on the United State's involvement is: We are too damn involved in everything else!! We are spreading ourselves thin, we are fighting in three countries now, with a police action in one or two more and preparing to go to war with N. Korea?! The hell? I think that the other countries can handle one dictator and an army, it isn't like we are the only ones capable of fighting.
 
At least the people of Libya are willing to fight for what they believe in. Good luck to them.
 
Shirosaki said:
I'm surprised that some of the people who have replied to this thread have even bothered, since they must not bother to watch the news.

The operation is nothing like Iraq. The 3 countries SelfAppointedGunslinger mentioned have waited for the UN's approval and are abiding by its rules and regulations. They are imposing a no-fly zone, and have destroyed anti-air defences controlled by Gadaffi Libya.

Gadaffi announced a ceasefire and a truce, which was a blatant lie to buy time against the UN, as he was full of it prior to the UN reaching a decision what with the "we will fight to the death" and whatnot. However, his forces have continued to fight the rebels.

There were also concerns that even if Gadaffi did stop fighting, he has enough men to surround the rebel town(s) and block any supplies coming in and stop anyone leaving. This would practically be a modern-day siege which the UN could do nothing about, as there is no military brutalisation being taken place.

I'm slightly sympathetic and annoyed at people who spout out garbage like "its for oil" or "they'll find some excuse", because they're the "enlightened" ones that don't watch the news but instead read the crap that is published in newspapers and take it as gospel.
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Like, that wasn't totaly pointed at me right?...
I understand your point, but i stand by mine.
 
I don't know much about what's going on here (but enough to present a decent argument toward it), and my argument sides with Firis's; why are the US and UK getting involved in the first place?
 
HobbeBrain said:
I don't know much about what's going on here (but enough to present a decent argument toward it), and my argument sides with Firis's; why are the US and UK getting involved in the first place?
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They're members of the UN and have been sent there to set up a no-fly zone. I'm not sure exactly why it's the UK, USA and France but it's not like they're invading for the lols.
 
HobbeBrain said:
I don't know much about what's going on here (but enough to present a decent argument toward it), and my argument sides with Firis's; why are the US and UK getting involved in the first place?
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Shirosaki said:
They're members of the UN and have been sent there to set up a no-fly zone. I'm not sure exactly why it's the UK, USA and France but it's not like they're invading for the lols.
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Because they're three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council who's job it is to provide the armies for peacekeeping operations such as this.
 
I think the rebels are pretty happy about the situation now anyway, they we're almost on the verge of defeat until allied intervention (thats what BBC news said anyway.) It's definately gave the rebels some breathing space.
 
What annoyed me about the whole build-up to the rest of the UN getting involved was that a week ago or so it was reported on the news that the main reason no one has properly stepped in before is because of the oil. I'm no economist but when the ruler of a country starts battering the crap out of his own people (Gaddafi's Law: If it feels good, do it) then screw the pleasantries over oil and do something about it.

Not for one minute did I buy the whole ceasefire thing...the guy's son was even laughing on the radio in an interview when asked if his family would back down or go into hiding.
 
I wanna know why bombings and conventional warfare is acceptible when they result in vastly more casualties than a swift assassination would.
 
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