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Sean

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Okay, so I was having a discussion about the Iraq War with my family. I stated that I would not want a woman politician or a regular politician in office right now, because I think our country needs a well experienced un-biased military leader who can figure out a plan to get us out of the Middle East Campaign finally, it has dragged on in Iraq for 7 years and Afghanistan for 10 years now. I am more worried about getting the **** out of there finally, or supplying the troops with PROPER TRAINING & EQUIPMENT & A GODDAMN PLAN.

My opinion was the Iraq War was just a publicity stunt by Bush Jr. in an attempt to be like his father, his father entered the first Gulf War and defeated them, then left, with casualties at around 300 for US Soldiers and 30,000+ Iraqi soldier casualties. The war didn't even last a year. Bush Sr specifically told the Generals that they were the ones in charge and they knew what they were doing, he actually listened to what the troops were saying. In the current Iraq War, we have lost around 5,000 soldiers and only killed 160,000, the troops are getting equipment from the Vietnam era, they are being trained for open battlefields when they are fighting in close in city environments, and being given **** intel. Now, my Dad does not blame Bush or anyone in his Administration for these problems (even though they were in charge), he blames the few radical liberals who were in Congress at the time, saying they never want a military and they are trying to ruin it etc etc.

I told him "Dad you have never even been to Iraq to see the problems." His reply was "Neither have you." I replied with "Yeah, but unlike you I actually did my research, looked at who was in power, what their tactics were, read first hand reports by army officers who served in there during the Invasion." He replied with "So have I." I immediately knew that was bullshit so I came back with "Oh, yeah? Sean Hannity's Adventures through Iraq in Google Earth, doesn't count."

My opinion:
Liberals are too crazy, Republicans are too soft. Neither can ever back their **** up.

I promise you guys, my Dad thinks the Liberals are trying to stage a World Takeover†, and purposely make everyone's lives hell.

He completely forgets the fact each and every person has their own opinion.

I'm sick to ****ing death of Republicans and Christians acting like they're on some ****ing high horse and anyone who has a diverse opinion or disagrees with what they're saying is obviously going to hell and they are mentally insane or God hasn't blessed them or some crazy ****.

†NEW WORLD ORDER!!?11!
 
This is why I stay out of politics mostly, I barely watch the news anymore, and when I do it is just local news.
In my opinion the Iraq war was a mistake, and we need to back out. But then again I also semi-believe that 9/11 was an inside job and I also don't mind Obama all that much.
So on what level does that put me to make international decisions?

EDIT: My vote? America is going down the toilet, we just have to decide if we want **** (Republicans) or **** (Democrats) to flush with it, or if we want to break the toilet entirely (Anarchist/Socialist) but if we break it, who is going to call the plumber?
 
Who's the plumber?

I feel the same way, Firis. But some people think it's more detrimental to society to do nothing than to figure out what's really happening and try to "save" it.

I hope the plumber is someone who doesn't waste our tax money (forced labor) on things we don't agree with. More than 3/4 of that money is going to the "Government" and Military. So, we're basically forced to support the war through taxes whether we like it or not. Isn't that depressing?

A big problem with all of this is that Journalists are giving us information on these issues instead of Reporters. The difference: Journalists tell us what they want us to hear; Reporters actually tell us what's happening, unscripted. Also, much of the news we hear is about fairs, affairs, murders, and more local things than important international news that WE'RE involved in. How many people knew about the British man who was of Middle Eastern descent and tortured for a year in that Cuban place (I forgot the name) and wrongfully accused of being involved in Terrorist activity while promised to have a trial that was never issued? I heard about this yesterday because my brother did extensive research about how corrupt the government is/has become.

No one in America likes to share (Socialism) because we're founded on ideals that say "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine." We don't like to share our money that we earn with anyone else. We probably wouldn't be in this mess if we didn't have a Government that was corrupt and more greedy than any Millionaire out there. They're spending money on the Military that gets no income, clearly this is where all our money has gone. Yeah, we have one of the best militaries, but we're in massive debt because of it. Worth it? Feel good Bush? So now the middle and lower classes have to share wealth amongst each other because they're the ones who need it. Those richer than ourselves don't need to because they're above the law. Lucky us.

On Topic: Clearly Iran/Iraq was a bad idea. I agree with Afghanistan, seeing as Terrorism is something we should eradicate. However, did you know that America is the only Country in the world that has been convicted by the UN/EU...whichever...of Terrorism? Yes, there are Terrorist groups, but America as a whole has been thought to be terrorist because America has a tendency to harass other people for no logical reason and starts petty fights with other nations because they're proud. The Government has been behind "terrorist" acts against other people/nations.

I don't particularly care for either party. I share views with both sides, somewhat, and think both can be too radical at times. America is really defeating itself. It's like Rome or Greece: they were so great they ran themselves into the ground. And, since History has a tendency to repeat itself, we shouldn't be surprised that this is happening. We're founded on lies, deceit, murder, corruption, war, inequality, and stupidity. I'm so proud of America. :)
 
Firis said:
EDIT: My vote? America is going down the toilet, we just have to decide if we want **** (Republicans) or s*** (Democrats) to flush with it, or if we want to break the toilet entirely (Anarchist/Socialist) but if we break it, who is going to call the plumber?
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I wouldn't say that Socialistic reforms would "break the toilet entirely". Also, why did you put it together with Anarchism? You yanks and your silly fear of Communism...
 
There isn't anything wrong with Socialism. As Americans, we are conditioned to not share with each other or help others in need or even recognize (never mind practice) equality.
 
Tsuyu said:
I wouldn't say that Socialistic reforms would "break the toilet entirely". Also, why did you put it together with Anarchism? You yanks and your silly fear of Communism...
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I just grouped them together because both would (Probably) require a forced takeover, most people in America are afraid of possibly being another China. I am partial to Socialism myself.
 
JohnDoe said:
First rule of American politics: If you are under the age of 18, shut up.

While it is just a generalization that kids don't know anything, these types of generalizations are very, very accurate. Most of you kids just love to show the world how much you don't know, when really you can't possibly have a true, unadulterated opinion of your own while you're still living with your parents. Go out and live for a bit, be kids, grow up, then show us how much you don't know like all the other twenty-somethings.
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No reason they can't do both. Probably better for them if they do.
 
Liberals are too crazy, Republicans are too soft. Neither can ever back their s*** up.
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I'm fairly certain it's the other way around, but that's just me!

Neither parties are interested in anything other than power. They don't care about the public, or anything else but their precious jobs and massive monies. They want to be in control and then say "I told you so" while destroying the country at the same time.

Methinks it's time for a revolution...
 
Tsuyu said:
The problem with the American system is that it is cemented into that stupid two-party system of yours.
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i'm with you there. the founders were against a bipartisan government, but just like every kid we just do the opposite of what our parents say.

Izzy Stizzlebonk said:
I think we need to get more parties into the mix. My gut feeling tells me the Democrats and Republicans, both, do not have the interests of the people at heart.
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Drew2686 said:
I'm fairly certain it's the other way around, but that's just me!

Neither parties are interested in anything other than power. They don't care about the public, or anything else but their precious jobs and massive monies. They want to be in control and then say "I told you so" while destroying the country at the same time.

Methinks it's time for a revolution...
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what, like the tea party? the green party? the problem isn't the party. the party only represents a different philosophy to running the country, and right now we have both sides that most other countries in the world have, if not further to the right then those other countries. the problem is politicians. and the problem with that is that politicians are through and through the same. if you enter politics, it's worrisome to give you responsibility. kind of ironic when you think about it.

and as for the revolution... there's nothing stopping you from having a revolution. sedition laws state that you are free to have such a right if you can do so peacefully. if the majority agree with you, then your revolution succeeds. if they don't, then you're forcing your beliefs on a population that outnumbers you. geniously set up to make anyone who's in the minority for thinking they have the right solution to look like a selfish prick if he doesn't approach it from a legal position.

ssjcb1186 said:
A big problem with all of this is that Journalists are giving us information on these issues instead of Reporters. The difference: Journalists tell us what they want us to hear; Reporters actually tell us what's happening, unscripted. Also, much of the news we hear is about fairs, affairs, murders, and more local things than important international news that WE'RE involved in. How many people knew about the British man who was of Middle Eastern descent and tortured for a year in that Cuban place (I forgot the name) and wrongfully accused of being involved in Terrorist activity while promised to have a trial that was never issued? I heard about this yesterday because my brother did extensive research about how corrupt the government is/has become.
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....what? journalists are reporters, i'm not sure exactly where you're coming from. as for what's on the news, my biggest gripe is people don't give international news enough attention. the system has all the right laws in place, but corporate sponsors of the press and the government ignore them anyway. corporations sponsor newspapers because they see them as a source of income. this forces newspapers to spend a lot of attention on the news that has public intrest as opposed to focusing solely on what the public needs to know.
i see the fact that i don't know the story you mentioned to be evidence of this "corporate journalism".
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
what, like the tea party? the green party? the problem isn't the party. the party only represents a different philosophy to running the country, and right now we have both sides that most other countries in the world have, if not further to the right then those other countries. the problem is politicians. and the problem with that is that politicians are through and through the same. if you enter politics, it's worrisome to give you responsibility. kind of ironic when you think about it.
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I see what you mean. Ain't no good to have multi-partisanship if all the politicians are all similar to each other.

Dangit!
 
I don't know if there's even a solution to the problem at this point. I think that's why people are so apathetic when it comes to anything from voting to protesting. People look at everything going on around them, some of them say "Wow, that's wrong", and some of them realize they're hopeless to stop it or change anything. At this point changing the political system won't solve anything, the problem is, we're human, and there's way too many of us. I'm hoping for a pandemic or zombie apocalypse, just something to thin the herd, then maybe we'll be able to change something. Until them, I'm gonna keep being lazy.
 
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