Civilian National Security Force

[Sean]

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Another thing I don't understand is why they're trying to bring the CIA members who interrogated Al Qeada members to court for waterboarding. If the government could get a pair of balls and man up they wouldn't be trying to sue them. Al Qeada would do much more horrible torture interrogations, worse than waterboarding. If anything, we should've done MORE to the prisoners, no, we should have just put a bullet in their heads, since they're so confident about getting 72 virgins when they die.

 

[Walker]

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Another thing I don't understand is why they're trying to bring the CIA members who interrogated Al Qeada members to court for waterboarding. If the government could get a pair of balls and man up they wouldn't be trying to sue them. Al Qeada would do much more horrible torture interrogations, worse than waterboarding. If anything, we should've done MORE to the prisoners, no, we should have just put a bullet in their heads, since they're so confident about getting 72 virgins when they die.

... Man, you are a GENIUS. That is the PERFECT way to destroy an insurgency. Make them all ****ing terrified to stop fighting and surrender because they know that if they're captured they'll be tortured and killed. Plus, make MORE insurgents because we tortured and killed prisoners who are, in all likelihood, people's friends and family, regardless of the fact that they are also murderous assholes or dumbasses or fanatics or [pick-your-interpretation-of-choice-here].

And I'd like to point out that you still haven't cited any sources on your original statement.

 

[Wonderfoole WINO]

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Sounds like BS to me. That said, lets see 'em just try to get me to join. :getlost: As if I don't get enough mail and phone calls from army recuiters already.

 

[Walker]

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Sounds like BS to me. That said, lets see 'em just try to get me to join. :getlost: As if I don't get enough mail and phone calls from army recuiters already.

Yeah, the Army and Marines are kinda desperate. You just TRY to get a Coast Guard recruiter to call you. I'm serious. It's like pulling teeth, only your dentist doesn't want to do it, so you've got to stick a gun to their head and glare threateningly.

 

[FableFreak]

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Don't we already have a thing called the "National Guard"?

Here is how I see things, this is a good idea but I wouldn't support it in the United States. I just don't find it to be necessary.








We have thousands of nuclear bombs that need dropping. Cheap. Efficient. Badass.

 

[Wonderfoole WINO]

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Hmmm... come to think of it, I saw an interesting looking fellow the other day. I think he called himself a "police officer". Anyone ever heard of that before? Would that qualify as a "civilian security force"? Pluss, apparently these guys are all over the country, sounds pretty "national" to me.

I might support this if we had a bigger problem with "terrorists" in the country itself. But as it stands, any average joe with access to the internet can make a bomb, put it in his backpack, and blow up a bus. What the hell am I supposed to do about that? And he doesnt even need a turban or big beard to do it.

 

[Skotekal]

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I think it is a great idea. Nothing much else to add to this conversation.

 

[Walker]

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I'm still trying to figure out where Sean is getting this from. The only thing I could find was a Fox News opinion piece getting really shrill about a speech Obama made during his campaign for the presidency-- it said something about how we needed a civilian national security force just as well funded and trained as the military.

That said, it was a campaign speech. It was extremely vague. And the only thing Google had on it, like I said, was a Fox OPINION peace.

 

[Zarkes]

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I mean having some extra sets of eyes on terrorist watch would be good but forcing is just overkill.

Who are the terrorists? That one guy all masked up in cloth with no defining marks of ethnicity? The patriot Act says anything committed of a misdeminor or more can make you a terrorist, That makes you un American and you no longer have any rights what so ever. They ae like the perfect enemey because they can be anyone the Government doesnt like.

You don't need to force millions to go through basic training and carry weapons around the US to have extra eyes on terrorists, they could just keep some troops in the US instead of sending them all to the middle east. No need for a secret police.

Nah it makes sense to me itd be easier to take over a government if you had them all pointing fingers at each other, divide and conquer.

Its very good actually. Here in Sweden you get "drafted" when you turn 18 and you're called in for a physical and psychological testing. If you pass you're given the choice of advancing further, or call it quits i.e if your studying or something takes priority. When "Lumpen"(as the military education is called) is over you can advance your military career by staying or again call it quits after you've done your duty and return to your life as a civilian.

A lot better than having, no offense, shotgun tootin' redneck civilians going on about "huntin' terrorists!" without any sort of control. I would full-heartedly support this if I lived in th states.

If I were to agree with your last statement then are you saying us crazy free willed strabuck drinking rednecks are so much more capable to bear arms then your people that your own government has to spend so much munny to properly train them and put them under psychological testing because they aren't able to handle the responsability?

"the right to bare arms" in the bill of rights was added for the same reason. for people to be able to defend themselves in an international crisis. recieving this training is obviously for the same purpose, only a step further.

it only makes sense since a lot of countries in the world hate the U.S. (we do a lot of dumb things after all...)

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley. Why are we labled so moronic and unworthy of our power and then if some crisis happens like Hitler taking over brits its our duty to help. We dont want to police the world but we have to because if we decide not to intervine we'd be hated so much more.

Sounds like BS to me. That said, lets see 'em just try to get me to join. :getlost: As if I don't get enough mail and phone calls from army recuiters already.

Skrew the government

Hmmm... come to think of it, I saw an interesting looking fellow the other day. I think he called himself a "police officer". Anyone ever heard of that before? Would that qualify as a "civilian security force"? Pluss, apparently these guys are all over the country, sounds pretty "national" to me.

I might support this if we had a bigger problem with "terrorists" in the country itself. But as it stands, any average joe with access to the internet can make a bomb, put it in his backpack, and blow up a bus. What the hell am I supposed to do about that? And he doesnt even need a turban or big beard to do it.

Thank You.

 

[Wonderfoole WINO]

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Skrew the government

Couldn't have put it better myself. :lol:

Unless they declair WWIII with china and my family and I are put in real danger, I'm not joining jack ****.

 

[Arseface]

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Another thing I don't understand is why they're trying to bring the CIA members who interrogated Al Qeada members to court for waterboarding. If the government could get a pair of balls and man up they wouldn't be trying to sue them. Al Qeada would do much more horrible torture interrogations, worse than waterboarding. If anything, we should've done MORE to the prisoners, no, we should have just put a bullet in their heads, since they're so confident about getting 72 virgins when they die.

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Any form of torture is something that, as a loving Christian, you should be against. The fact is that you are too full of patriotism (not exactly bad in itself, but it means that you can't see anything your government does as bad) and cultural bigotry that you can't see any different. Shame.

We have thousands of nuclear bombs that need dropping. Cheap. Efficient. Badass.

You forgot to say nuclear winter, radiation poisoning (which affects people generations after the fact), the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. That's not war, that's cowardice.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley. Why are we labled so moronic and unworthy of our power and then if some crisis happens like Hitler taking over brits its our duty to help. We dont want to police the world but we have to because if we decide not to intervine we'd be hated so much more.

 

[Walker]

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Any form of torture is something that, as a loving Christian, you should be against. The fact is that you are too full of patriotism (not exactly bad in itself, but it means that you can't see anything your government does as bad) and cultural bigotry that you can't see any different. Shame.



You forgot to say nuclear winter, radiation poisoning (which affects people generations after the fact), the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. That's not war, that's cowardice.

Who says he's a loving Christian? He sounds like a bit of a fear-mongering jackass to me, and he hasn't said anything about his religion. And I've had the terrorism argument with you before. Let's skip it.

And be nice to FableFreak. He's our friendly neighborhood right-wing gunnut. I'm pretty sure he's a caricature of himself.

Also, I did find something else mentioning this-- as a one of those fun exaggerations and spinnings. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html

I don't think the Peace Corps qualifies as a "civilian force who are funded and trained the same as the military"

 

[Arseface]

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Who says he's a loving Christian? He sounds like a bit of a fear-mongering jackass to me, and he hasn't said anything about his religion. And I've had the terrorism argument with you before. Let's skip it.

And be nice to FableFreak. He's our friendly neighborhood right-wing gunnut. I'm pretty sure he's a caricature of himself.

Also, I did find something else mentioning this-- as a one of those fun exaggerations and spinnings. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html

I don't think the Peace Corps qualifies as a "civilian force who are funded and trained the same as the military"

I know he's a Christian because of other conversations I've had with him. Specifically, the latest religion thread.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

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point being... citizens defending themselves was the basic idea behind the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) since the beginning of the US. i honestly don't understand why someone would oppose it. gun nuts get to feel important, and anti-gun nuts get to feel rested that all the people who could shoot them are getting proper training. :lol:

 

[Walker]

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point being... citizens defending themselves was the basic idea behind the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) since the beginning of the US. i honestly don't understand why someone would oppose it. gun nuts get to feel important, and anti-gun nuts get to feel rested that all the people who could shoot them are getting proper training. :lol:

I'm sorry, how is that relevant?

We aren't arguing about the right to bear arms (were we?), though if you keep bringing it up I'm sure we'll get there.

 

[Xeon]

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Not sure what you mean by "special government organizations." Nothing all that special about most of them. I will admit that we have a lot of them, and lots of them have overlapping areas of authority. I mean, do we really need Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms AND the Drug Enforcement Agency? Do we really need 15 or so different counterterrorism and intelligence agencies?

I mean, geeze, just destroy them and give the Coast Guard all their funding. And yes, that IS my answer for everything.

And also, I'm not entirely sure where Sean got this from, since I haven't heard about anything like this on the news or anything, which might just mean that it's a rumor or a garbled fact. So we might be talking about a figment of someone's imagination.

In denmark we have have a military covert ops unit and a CIA, Secret service, FBI, NSA, ATF organization that works closely together with interpol.

They don't have to deal with all that bureaucracy in order to actually do their job and catch criminals.

 

[Walker]

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Whaddayamean? Sounds like you have just as much of an alphabet-soup bureaucracy as we do.

Or were you saying that you had all of those rolled into one? Might be more efficient. But it's also possible that it could give too much power to one organization, if you have a suitably parnoid turn of mind.

 

[FableFreak]

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And be nice to FableFreak. He's our friendly neighborhood right-wing gunnut. I'm pretty sure he's a caricature of himself.

Your mom is a caricature of herself...

+rep

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You forgot to say nuclear winter, radiation poisoning (which affects people generations after the fact), the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. That's not war, that's cowardice.

Nuclear winter will offset global warming. If you are worried about radiation take Potassium Iodide. Total war is the only type of war; I expect the same from our enemies as I expect from my country. Cowardice is running away from a fight, nuclear weaponry is simply an advantage.