Master Chief vs. Predator

[White_Howler]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

It depends. If it's a rite of passage or some kind of trial then no, but if a group is sent together after a single target then they will work as a team for the kill. It all depends on if it's 1 or more sent to kill MC. The hunt is sacred so if only 1 is sent, only that one will be able to fight it. Perhaps if they are all sent they may try one by one. Unless specifically told to attack all at once.

Bottom line: Is the kill for honor or glory? If for honor then one on one, if for glory then all at once.

 

[Zjuggernaut]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Predator usually hunt in three's. I know this from AvP and The newest film.

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Not if it's a rite of passage or something... it would have to be solo. But that's entirely for honor... I think we can assume it's simply to remove a threat, and thus to make the kill as efficiently as possible. So in all truth they'd probably send the team of 3.

 

[Firis]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

No... predators would be fried by nukes too... was just pointing out that MC is not godly and can die. But that's besides the point.

Also, what game are MC's guns gonna be from? The Pistol from Halo 1 would be... unfair...

But sadly, the location, who gets first strike, MC's weapon loadout... these all matter.

I'd have to say, given Predator tactics, they would probably get the first strike, or at the very least attempt to by all means. It's safe to assume MC isn't carrying around a Spartan Laser or anything else that INSANE. Most likely the Assault Rifle and some other standard issue gun. I mean, MC shouldn't be aware of the attack before it happens as that's not how predators roll.

So what we DO know is this:

MC is not aware he will be attacked, and thus has no battle plan, or intent or expectation of battle.

Predator will aim for first strike, and is hiding, invisible.

The Predator has his wrist blade, the spear thing, the shoulder cannon, his mask, and the disc. (I think that's basic Predator loadout).

We can assume MC has an assault rifle and a Sniper rifle or rocket launcher or some other human basic gun.

Location is VERY key to this fight.

They are both alone, and have no back or help.

MC is limited to what ammunition he has in his two weapons, and whatever frag grenades he has on him.

Since there are no others involved in the fight, he won't have access to Covenant weaponry. Also, since there no enemies for him to fight, it's probably unlikely that there will be spare guns and ammunition just lying about.

That is a tough one then.

Also keep in mind that the Chief has a Radar.

In my simulation:

John and the Yautja are in a forest.

The Yautja has his spear and a Wristblade, he was there for a hunt, and Covenant fire burnt his gun and he lost his Disc.

The Chief retreated from a firefight, and is trying to find his way back to base, he is setting up camp as he is tired, he is out of ammo, leaving only melee weapons. He goes to sleep, wakes up and his Radar shows something is there.

Location: Forest

MC Load-out: Assault Rifle with no ammo (Club) Two UNSC Combat knives (Around a seven inch blade, balanced for throwing) and to make it more fair: An Energy Sword.

MC Stats: Weighs two thousand pounds 7 feet tall, can lift nearly a thousand pounds, master in hand to hand combat, knife combat and stealth fighting, has shields strong enough to take 2 or 3 stabs from a Yautja, plus another one or two stabs his suit can handle before he takes hard damage. Can can sustain a speed of 60-70mph.

Yautja load-out: Ceremonial Spear, Wrist blades (6 inches assuming this is a normal pred) on both wrists, cloaking that can be deactivated by water.

Yautja Stats: Weighs 350 pounds (Almost all muscle), is 8 feet tall, strength is never specified, but let us say he is as strong as the Chief, his armor is almost non-existent other than his mask, and he has no shields. However his flesh is tough, it would take 5-7 stabs to do crippling damage, his toughness would allow for 3-4 hits, but then his bones would break. He is an expert hunter of the highest degree, he moves much slower, sustaining a speed of 30-40mph.



MC:
Advantages: Two knives, sword, shields, radar, speed.
Equals: Training and Strength
Can take:
4-7 punches
3-5 stabs
1 Spear

Yautja:
Advantages: Spear, wristblades, cloaking, and resistant flesh
Equals: Strength and training
Can take:
4-6 punches
3-4 stabs
1 Sword



That is as even as I can make it without taking their natural abilities (The MC can run out of ammo, Yautja earn their weapons through hunting, the Yautja might not even have his Plasma Caster or disc yet, or chosen to go light, as the less weapons they used, the more honor they got)


EDIT: I was ninja'd several times as I wrote this, so don't say "Well we already established bluh-bluh"

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Alright, I can see those circumstances. If both were in a battlefield, and happened to meet, totally alone, these circumstances are fairly accurate. The forest makes sure neither has a true field advantage. Although the Predator MAY be able to climb the trees.

It makes sense for MC to be out of ammo after a long firefight, and easy to assume the Predator is traveling light, whether for honor purposes or that they haven't yet earned such weapons.

MC's motion radar cancels out any surprise the Predator might have, but it still makes him a difficult target, even in close quarters. I believe it is more a super advanced chameleon effect right? I'm going to assume so. A lot like what Elites look like cloaked, only he could keep it on. While still not a huge advantage, it may help him evade a hit or two, despite his speed disadvantage.

I do think the top speed is irrelevant. It would take MC a little bit to get up to 60MPH. However, as far as short distances, like dodging and strafing, they're probably about equal. Predator might have a faster jump though, being all muscle. I believe MC jumps somewhat slow (he is heavy after all).

All in all it seems a pretty even fight. MC has a bit more durability, but the Predator has a small amount of added evasiveness to help out, which I feel evens out. We can assume they'll probably dodge and move at about the same speed, as it's highly unlikely that either will be full on sprinting. They will both know there is an enemy to fight and be ready. Neither have ranged weapons. Pretty even fight IMO. The kicker is whether it's a highly experienced Predator with a light load or a still green Predator. For evenness sake, it would likely have to be a veteran Predator, who travels light for honor purposes.

All in all, I say it's an even fight. The predator would have to rely on hit and run tactics and utilize it's camoflague in unique ways to disorient MC. MC has a clear durability and top run speed advatage though, so once in close range it would be hard for a predator to lose MC. If he DID lose MC however, he could hide and wait to try and ambush. It's unlikely however.

 

[El Mosqueton]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

The fact that this has 3 pages makes me a happy, happy man.

 

[Firis]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Alright, I can see those circumstances. If both were in a battlefield, and happened to meet, totally alone, these circumstances are fairly accurate. The forest makes sure neither has a true field advantage. Although the Predator MAY be able to climb the trees.

It makes sense for MC to be out of ammo after a long firefight, and easy to assume the Predator is traveling light, whether for honor purposes or that they haven't yet earned such weapons.

MC's motion radar cancels out any surprise the Predator might have, but it still makes him a difficult target, even in close quarters. I believe it is more a super advanced chameleon effect right? I'm going to assume so. A lot like what Elites look like cloaked, only he could keep it on. While still not a huge advantage, it may help him evade a hit or two, despite his speed disadvantage.

I do think the top speed is irrelevant. It would take MC a little bit to get up to 60MPH. However, as far as short distances, like dodging and strafing, they're probably about equal. Predator might have a faster jump though, being all muscle. I believe MC jumps somewhat slow (he is heavy after all).

All in all it seems a pretty even fight. MC has a bit more durability, but the Predator has a small amount of added evasiveness to help out, which I feel evens out. We can assume they'll probably dodge and move at about the same speed, as it's highly unlikely that either will be full on sprinting. They will both know there is an enemy to fight and be ready. Neither have ranged weapons. Pretty even fight IMO. The kicker is whether it's a highly experienced Predator with a light load or a still green Predator. For evenness sake, it would likely have to be a veteran Predator, who travels light for honor purposes.

All in all, I say it's an even fight. The predator would have to rely on hit and run tactics and utilize it's camoflague in unique ways to disorient MC. MC has a clear durability and top run speed advatage though, so once in close range it would be hard for a predator to lose MC. If he DID lose MC however, he could hide and wait to try and ambush. It's unlikely however.

It wouldn't be green, if he were green the Pred would fight with two others, unless he lost them both. So it would be a veteran, other than the added confusion, if the Predator stood completely still, he would avoid the motion tracker, but that would limit his striking abilities, because up close the Chief could see him, and from afar the Chief could dodge. Another possible factor for the camo is Mc's headlamp, that could be a problem, as the Elite's camo bends the light in such a way where he would be detectable.

So MC would have the advantage of foresight, but the Pred would have the advantage of slight confusion.

For the speed? Sure, they could be even, I do not have much data on the Predator, and I cannot remember The Chiefs close combat speed.

So it comes down to: Who gets the first successful blow, if the Chief has the sword, the Predator will have to either impale the Chief with the spear from afar (Not sure if the shield would deflect that) or keep him at bay with it, because the Chief would only need one slice, but the chief would have to move really well to avoid the spear once thrown, as shown in the movies it is practically a bullet.

 

[GrimWhim]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

You've got to remember one thing, Master Chief isn't some newbie soldier. He's got a lot of experience backing him up and has fought both the Covenant and the Flood. He's survived more than any predator ever has and I'm sure is combat knowledge is extensive. I mean, even without weapons MC has a definite advantage. It would be a lot more equal if he fights a veteran predator but I still think he'd come out on top.

 

[Fenrir]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Predator still wins because he is gentically engineered, cybernetic, and bred for combat just like MC.

Who told you that poo? Predators are not genetically engineered or cyborgs. All their equipment can be removed, although if it is removed improperly it will set off his bomb as a security measure.

 

[Tsuyu]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

It all depends on the rank of the Predator in question. You have to remember that low ranking Predators have been dispatched by regular humans* on several occasions. They'd be no match for something that is super-human.

*to the extent you can call Da Governator's character in the Predator movie "regular". He is awesome incarnate.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

So me playing legendary Halo: CE and Halo 2 bymyself means I suck?...And I didn't know when a game has an endless life spawning system, and I think I'm not going to have any luck with what I'm currently doing in the game and let myself die means I sucked..And when I'm running along and an invisible elite comes out of nowhere with a sword and insta kills me, apparently that means I suck also..

I, in fact, do not suck at FPS, and am in fact very good at them.

in gameplay, you are absolutely right. i'm talking about in fiction. in the lore of the halo universe. Master Chief is supposedly the strongest soldier in all of earths army. he's bested so many covenant that he gained the nickname "the demon" - many of those killed were elites which match him in strength and shielding. also brutes, which are stronger than him.
furthermore, the books and games strongly push an inherent "luck" that he has. at the end of Halo 2 he jumps out of a ship and literally falls all the way to the ground. according to his attributes, armor strength, etc he should have died. but somehow he lives. he's undergone more drops than any ODST soldier. there is a chance with every drop that you will burn in the planets atmosphere yet somehow he's still alive.
he's overpowered in the sense that, sure there can be things physically stronger than him and with more ammunition, but he has his "luck". i guess a lot of main characters get that in one form or another, but his is to an extreme.

 

[Daemon300]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

The reason Predators hunt is not for sustenance or elimination of threats, but as entertainment, as they will only attack life forms that have the ability to provide them with a challenge. If a Predator fails the hunt, he will commit an honorable suicide.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Predator_(species)#Societal_Divisions:_Castes_and_Ranks

He would have to fight one of the more experienced Predators.

 

[Firis]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Alright, there is only one way we can settle this... Call up Deadliest Warrior, they were going to run out of real warriors sooner or later.

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Sadly, I know little about Predator lore... wish I did.

I don't much care for Halo's gross exaggeration of a character that seems to be inflated by everything Halo. He started out a cool, badass soldier, and now you're telling me the books essentially made him a god among men.

Sorry, but it bothers me a bit and I can't help my bias against him. It doesn't help that many Halo fanboys simply say "MC wins. Period." It's Goku mentality all over again, (speaking of which, Goku still wins ALL fights).

If this is the case, then MC really isn't very epic. Badass yes, but not epic because nothing will EVER give him a challenge therefore he overcomes nothing as it always was and will be beneath him.

Sorry for the semi-mean rant... A little ****ed about something irl... no offense to anyone. Take my words with a grain of salt, please.

 

[darkblossom]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

i rekcon mc would win because camo is easy to see

 

[Aions]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

this needs a poll

 

[Firis]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Sorry for the semi-mean rant... A little ****ed about something irl

You up to talking about it?

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

Sure, but not here. People don't need to see my excessive use of profanities.

 

[Firis]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

There is the PMs, Facebook, whatever.

 

[Fenrir]

Re: Master Chief vs. Predator

It's Goku mentality all over again, (speaking of which, Goku still wins ALL fights).

Goku would kick MC's ass.