Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

[White_Howler]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

GrimWhim is entirely right about mainstream gamers first and foremost. They are the people who have no real tastes and just buy what the media tells them to. :getlost:

Next, someone mentioned to list examples of games meant to train. S.O.C.O.M., Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Siphon Filter (maybe:'( never played them) and any other game like that are certainly meant to train, and even got advertised as such. The game based on the movie Black Hawk Down is another example of a game meant to train. ^_^

Games like Gears of War or Halo also have aspects like these but aren't near our standards of actual warfare. We aren't facing those enemies with those weapons in those settings. They still however, teach basic principles of war. :sly: That said, and please read this next bit so you understand me, almost any shooter has some form of style to it (survival, stealth, team tactics, hostage rescues, open battlefield, infiltration), and inherently teaches the player the basics of such tasks.

Players learn these skills, and could probably use them in real life if necessary, to varying success due to differences between individuals in strength/speed/stamina/dexterity. It's advertised by it's very nature, but advertising does not FORCE someone to do anything.

A person always has the right to choose. Too many people let the media choose for them, and hence why it's a fine line as to whether or not we're simply being told what to do or not.

Choose for yourselves people, don't let anyone change your opinion as that's what makes us individuals! :thumbsup:


Edit: Also 72% of all people who read 90% of all statistics will believe 46% of everything they read, not believe 54% of what they read, and will forget 88% of everything they read. My point is statistics are NOT a good basis for an argument. :yammer:

 

[GrimWhim]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

You just admitted that most games are violent, and I already said these games don’t cause people to commit acts of violence in the real world. The studies don’t even have to be accurate; we can see that all around us people are playing these games. Millions of copies are sold. These are the games that everyone is drawn to. You don’t need statistics to prove this. And we do have enough ways to establish some pretty solid facts with considerable accuracy. For example, highs schools and colleges have been reviewed. Around 40% of college students play games, compared to around a staggering 80% or higher for high school students. It has also been proven that these games lead to kids being much more aggressive than the average student, and not to mention the lower grade point average. You don’t want to believe that any of these things can be proved, but they can and have been.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying; most of us are affected by the media while some are not. You believe that games have had no affect on you, but you wouldn’t notice the changes anyway. It’s so subtle, so gradual, that you would never see a change in yourself. But the truth is, if you do anything for that long and it’s a huge part of your life and who you are, it will ultimately change you.

Your view of women is wrong man. I don’t know what happened in your life to cause you to think that way. Women are equal to men and none of us are born that way. I’ve met plenty of girls that are non-materialistic, and those tend to be the girls I like more. And I’m saying that the majority of Americans feel like they need to live up to certain standards, put forth by the media and social pressure. It affects girls more I’m sure, and you obviously don’t seem like the type to be affected by it. Neither am I, but it’s not just appearance that they affect, it’s just about everything in our lives.

If you constantly play games from the moment you get up to the moment you go to sleep it's obviously going to affect you but a lot of us have enough sense to take a break every so often. How many high schools and colleges did they review? Because there's hundreds of 'em around the U.S. and there are plenty of people who don't play games. Not to mention like I said before, most kids play games like Rock Band and Halo which doesn't make them gamers. It's like a fad they do to be cool and once that fad changes, they'll go to the next best thing.

Uh, I'm pretty sure I would notice if they had any change on me. I can tell when my personality or behavior changes. I'm not so caught up in the world around me that I forget to notice myself. It only changes you if you let it.

My view is wrong? I don't think so. Your view is ignorant and you want to believe that every woman is pure and filled with sunshine. Meeting a couple of girls who say or pretend to be materialistic does not make them so. If you have more than one pair of shoes, you're materialistic. If you buy brand name clothing you're materialistic. If you absolutely HAVE to have a cell phone for a reason other than emergency situations, you're materialistic. Hell, they didn't invent jewelry boxes for no reason. They know that women like shiny things and will need a place to store them.

No matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact that women are materialistic. Yes, a lot of guys are too but we don't even compare to how bad women are.

Edit: Also 72% of all people who read 90% of all statistics will believe 46% of everything they read, not believe 54% of what they read, and will forget 88% of everything they read. My point is statistics are NOT a good basis for an argument. :yammer:

I had to quote this because it's filled with so much truth. In fact, you deserve some reputation too.

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

Not all women are materialistic, if you must, at least say MOST women are materialistic. While I agree to a point not all women are materialistic. On that note most men are brutish knucklehead if that's the case.

 

[GrimWhim]

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Not all women are materialistic, if you must, at least say MOST women are materialistic. While I agree to a point not all women are materialistic. On that note most men are brutish knucklehead if that's the case.

I explicitly stated that most not all are but the ones that aren't are very, very rare.

Actually, that's probably true White, haha.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

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If you constantly play games from the moment you get up to the moment you go to sleep it's obviously going to affect you but a lot of us have enough sense to take a break every so often. How many high schools and colleges did they review? Because there's hundreds of 'em around the U.S. and there are plenty of people who don't play games. Not to mention like I said before, most kids play games like Rock Band and Halo which doesn't make them gamers. It's like a fad they do to be cool and once that fad changes, they'll go to the next best thing.

lol people who play halo aren't gamers, you say? halo STARTED machinima, it single handedly revived the xbox as a failing system, and is one of the core games featured in the MLG. halo may be played by some casually, but at it's core it's nothing but a hardcore gaming crowd.

furthermore, when did ANYONE play halo to be cool? i'm pretty sure playing video games in general did the opposite. high school can't have changed that much in the 3 years i've been out of it, if playing halo got you laid or made you cool i would have had a ton more friends.
the easiest way to make friends in high school is to smoke :thumbsup:

Uh, I'm pretty sure I would notice if they had any change on me. I can tell when my personality or behavior changes. I'm not so caught up in the world around me that I forget to notice myself. It only changes you if you let it.

not necessarily true. the fact is it does change you and you don't notice it. it doesn't affect what actions you do or don't do. as white howler said, it's still a choice you have. but they can desensitize you to certain things.

My view is wrong? I don't think so. Your view is ignorant and you want to believe that every woman is pure and filled with sunshine. Meeting a couple of girls who say or pretend to be materialistic does not make them so. If you have more than one pair of shoes, you're materialistic. If you buy brand name clothing you're materialistic. If you absolutely HAVE to have a cell phone for a reason other than emergency situations, you're materialistic. Hell, they didn't invent jewelry boxes for no reason. They know that women like shiny things and will need a place to store them.

lol "pretending to be materialistic"? :lol:
99% of people in the US are materialistic. have you ever bought the limited edition of a game? preordered one? looked forward to an upcoming title? sorry, but that is materialism and consumerism.
lastly, that final statement is horribly sexist. i won't comment, i'll let one of the female members here talk about it if they are offended.

No matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact that women are materialistic. Yes, a lot of guys are too but we don't even compare to how bad women are.

yeah, lol, we do. if you've ever been to a big city everyone is materialistic. killerequinox summed it up nicely in his post about women and the pressures of society. refute it if you want, but it's pretty widely accepted and is the subject of many forms of music and literature. it's precisely what you are saying here that would make a feminist rage hard had one of them read your post.

 

[GrimWhim]

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lol people who play halo aren't gamers, you say? halo STARTED machinima, it single handedly revived the xbox as a failing system, and is one of the core games featured in the MLG. halo may be played by some casually, but at it's core it's nothing but a hardcore gaming crowd.

Halo didn't start machinima. Revived the Xbox? I don't remember it ever failing but then again, it didn't have much offer to so I can believe that, lmao. MLG? Major League Gaming? Yeah, probably because everyone is so stuck up on how "amazing" it is when it's highly overrated. The first two games were the only good ones. Hardcore gaming crowd? LMAO! Yeah, I forgot how hardcore you have to be to throw a grenade at someone that sticks to them or how hardcore you have to be to instantly rape someone's face with a rocket or energy sword.

furthermore, when did ANYONE play halo to be cool? i'm pretty sure playing video games in general did the opposite. high school can't have changed that much in the 3 years i've been out of it, if playing halo got you laid or made you cool i would have had a ton more friends.
the easiest way to make friends in high school is to smoke :thumbsup:

That's what kids do nowadays. The mainstream gamers play whatever is cool and since everyone says CoD/Halo are cool, that's what they play. Smoking stopped being cool years and years ago.

not necessarily true. the fact is it does change you and you don't notice it. it doesn't affect what actions you do or don't do. as white howler said, it's still a choice you have. but they can desensitize you to certain things.

Video games have never changed me and you can say that it has all you want but that doesn't make it true. The only thing that has desensitized me is the internet and that's because the **** you can find online will scar you for life.

lol "pretending to be materialistic"? :lol:
99% of people in the US are materialistic. have you ever bought the limited edition of a game? preordered one? looked forward to an upcoming title? sorry, but that is materialism and consumerism.
lastly, that final statement is horribly sexist. i won't comment, i'll let one of the female members here talk about it if they are offended.

Oh who gives a damn? Everything you say about a gender or a race is either sexist or racist even if it's true. You can't please anyone so I don't try. There are more materialistic women than men. You can't deny that.

yeah, lol, we do. if you've ever been to a big city everyone is materialistic. killerequinox summed it up nicely in his post about women and the pressures of society. refute it if you want, but it's pretty widely accepted and is the subject of many forms of music and literature. it's precisely what you are saying here that would make a feminist rage hard had one of them read your post.

I live in New York. Pressures of society my ass. My mother was materialistic but she didn't have one to impress. No one pressured her or any of that jazz. Just because something is widely accepted does not make it true. Of course, I could use your flawed logic and say that because Christianity is widely accepted that it has to be true.

Feminists are disgusting. No one pays them any attention anyways.

 

[killerequinox]

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If you constantly play games from the moment you get up to the moment you go to sleep it's obviously going to affect you but a lot of us have enough sense to take a break every so often. How many high schools and colleges did they review? Because there's hundreds of 'em around the U.S. and there are plenty of people who don't play games. Not to mention like I said before, most kids play games like Rock Band and Halo which doesn't make them gamers. It's like a fad they do to be cool and once that fad changes, they'll go to the next best thing.

Uh, I'm pretty sure I would notice if they had any change on me. I can tell when my personality or behavior changes. I'm not so caught up in the world around me that I forget to notice myself. It only changes you if you let it.

My view is wrong? I don't think so. Your view is ignorant and you want to believe that every woman is pure and filled with sunshine. Meeting a couple of girls who say or pretend to be materialistic does not make them so. If you have more than one pair of shoes, you're materialistic. If you buy brand name clothing you're materialistic. If you absolutely HAVE to have a cell phone for a reason other than emergency situations, you're materialistic. Hell, they didn't invent jewelry boxes for no reason. They know that women like shiny things and will need a place to store them.

No matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact that women are materialistic. Yes, a lot of guys are too but we don't even compare to how bad women are.

Once again, it doesn’t matter how many people are fad gamers, the fact remains that many people still play the violent ones, including the war simulations. These are the cool games that people want to play the most. I have stated my point, and you can choose to be closed-minded about it, but the truth lies within the countless articles and statistics. White Howlers statement is idiotic. If a bunch of highly reputable groups, as well as a few non reputable ones come up with the same kind of statistics, then there has to be some truth to it. Most likely they have accurate information, and until you know how they acquire that knowledge first hand I wouldn’t go discrediting them. You choose to believe that everything you say is true from a non-educational standpoint, and there are tons of educated people that can proved you wrong, you just won't admit it.

To be honest, I can let everything else go, just not the view you have on women. I never said every woman is perfect. Your argument that every single girl is materialistic is completely absurd, and I wish someone would back me up on this. Materialistic girls were not always like that. Every girl, and boy, is born innocent and filled with ignorance. They don’t know anything about fashion or jewelry or makeup or anything like that. But then, as they get older, the things they see on T.V., in magazines, and hear about from friends causes them to grow up a certain way, and this is something that continues on throughout their lives. You can’t deny that.

 

[White_Howler]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

Once again, it doesn’t matter how many people are fad gamers, the fact remains that many people still play the violent ones, including the war simulations. These are the cool games that people want to play the most. I have stated my point, and you can choose to be closed-minded about it, but the truth lies within the countless articles and statistics. White Howlers statement is idiotic. If a bunch of highly reputable groups, as well as a few non reputable ones come up with the same kind of statistics, then there has to be some truth to it. Most likely they have accurate information, and until you know how they acquire that knowledge first hand I wouldn’t go discrediting them. You choose to believe that everything you say is true from a non-educational standpoint, and there are tons of educated people that can proved you wrong, you just won't admit it.

To be honest, I can let everything else go, just not the view you have on women. I never said every woman is perfect. Your argument that every single girl is materialistic is completely absurd, and I wish someone would back me up on this. Materialistic girls were not always like that. Every girl, and boy, is born innocent and filled with ignorance. They don’t know anything about fashion or jewelry or makeup or anything like that. But then, as they get older, the things they see on T.V., in magazines, and hear about from friends causes them to grow up a certain way, and this is something that continues on throughout their lives. You can’t deny that.

This last part is true... so very true... Imagine a child born i8n a room with nothing, crazy and sad as it is, they would never know anything of fashion and such. Media is at fault, consumerism is at fault.

 

[GrimWhim]

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Once again, it doesn’t matter how many people are fad gamers, the fact remains that many people still play the violent ones, including the war simulations. These are the cool games that people want to play the most. I have stated my point, and you can choose to be closed-minded about it, but the truth lies within the countless articles and statistics. White Howlers statement is idiotic. If a bunch of highly reputable groups, as well as a few non reputable ones come up with the same kind of statistics, then there has to be some truth to it. Most likely they have accurate information, and until you know how they acquire that knowledge first hand I wouldn’t go discrediting them. You choose to believe that everything you say is true from a non-educational standpoint, and there are tons of educated people that can proved you wrong, you just won't admit it.

To be honest, I can let everything else go, just not the view you have on women. I never said every woman is perfect. Your argument that every single girl is materialistic is completely absurd, and I wish someone would back me up on this. Materialistic girls were not always like that. Every girl, and boy, is born innocent and filled with ignorance. They don’t know anything about fashion or jewelry or makeup or anything like that. But then, as they get older, the things they see on T.V., in magazines, and hear about from friends causes them to grow up a certain way, and this is something that continues on throughout their lives. You can’t deny that.

White's statement was far more intelligent than the crap you've been pulling out your ass. Face it, you can't stand being wrong even though you know you are. I'm not going to believe everything someone tells me just because they say it's so. If that were the case, I'd believe in God and the Devil and that no one ever lies. The only close-minded person here is you and the more you post the more that shines through. But these posts have strayed far from the main topic and now they're devolving into nothing but insults.

I'm done with this. I don't need to get into more trouble because of someone else.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

Yeah take the comments back a notch guys and try to refrain from insults as no-one can make a valid point that way.

 

[Zjuggernaut]

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That's what kids do nowadays. The mainstream gamers play whatever is cool and since everyone says CoD/Halo are cool, that's what they play. Smoking stopped being cool years and years ago.

Being a 16 year old male, I can clarify that playing Halo does not make you cool. I suppose Modern Warfare 2 has become a trend but the CoD series isn't.

Kids still smoke to be in with the it crowd. It didn't die out.

 

[killerequinox]

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White's statement was far more intelligent than the crap you've been pulling out your ass. Face it, you can't stand being wrong even though you know you are. I'm not going to believe everything someone tells me just because they say it's so. If that were the case, I'd believe in God and the Devil and that no one ever lies. The only close-minded person here is you and the more you post the more that shines through. But these posts have strayed far from the main topic and now they're devolving into nothing but insults.

I'm done with this. I don't need to get into more trouble because of someone else.

You're the only one being aggressive and insulting here. You chose to create problems for yourself, don't blame me. You need to take responsibility for your own actions. We obviously have conflicting personalities. I don't agree with what you're saying and you don't agree with what I'm saying. We won't get anywhere arguing like this, so let's leave it at that.

 

[GrimWhim]

Re: Military shooters are dragging my like of games through a pile of ****

You're the only one being aggressive and insulting here. You chose to create problems for yourself, don't blame me. You need to take responsibility for your own actions. We obviously have conflicting personalities. I don't agree with what you're saying and you don't agree with what I'm saying. We won't get anywhere arguing like this, so let's leave it at that.

You mean aside from calling White's statement idiotic and myself close-minded? Don't even try to play innocent. I know I'm being insulting and I'm doing my best to refrain from continuing it but you're making that very hard with comments like this.

Also, what was the point in saying that? I clearly stated I was ending it. Do you honestly think it does you any good to get the last word in?

 

[White_Howler]

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To be honest this has gone from an argument on topic to an argument totally off-topic... >.>

Just saying.

Edit: Also it was quite rude to say my statement was idiotic. Statistics are meaningless numbers. There is NO way the testing method could accurately gather the data needed to state the opinions of millions of people from less than 1000. Even if they interview one millions people, what about the other 6 billion on the planet?

I repeat, statistics are meaningless numbers.

 

[GrimWhim]

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To be honest this has gone from an argument on topic to an argument totally off-topic... >.>

Just saying.

Yes, I already said this.

I'll even quote myself for you.

But these posts have strayed far from the main topic and now they're devolving into nothing but insults.

 

[killerequinox]

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You mean aside from calling White's statement idiotic and myself close-minded? Don't even try to play innocent. I know I'm being insulting and I'm doing my best to refrain from continuing it but you're making that very hard with comments like this.

Also, what was the point in saying that? I clearly stated I was ending it. Do you honestly think it does you any good to get the last word in?

I was merely stating that his response was false and completely wrong in my mind. I apologize if you took it the wrong way, White, I should have used a better word. And I wasn't directing any negativity towards you either, Grim. Calling you closed-minded is just an observation as you would rather believe something untrue instead of considering the posibility that I could be right. After all, my standpoint is based on the views of educated people that I agree with. Yours seem to be your own twisted views which I think are incorrect and sometimes even prejudice. In no way was I insulting you or White. On the other hand, you are openly insulting me and my ideas., as well as other peoples.

 

[Sephiroxas]

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Well, that's because lots of people have differen't opinions on certain subject matter. And when people disagree, instead of Agreeing to Dissagree, they begin to become aggresive and insert such insults because they're determined to change the others mind.......Either way.

Not saying anyones doing it on purpose, more of a subconcious type of thing. It just happens. :yammer:

 

[White_Howler]

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Yea, it really has become a "I'm right!" "No I'm right!" "You're stupid!" "No, you're stupid!"

Childishness aside...


Video games, movies, shows, everything we do, our hobbies and activities all affect us. They make up who we are. Video games are a form of media, and as such influence the other types of media we'll look into. But that is by no means a good reason to say they cause kids to shoot up their school.

Crazy people will be crazy, and no amount of media or medical attention will help them.

In the meantime us normal people (I use the word normal to denote not insane in some way), will continue to live our lives unaffected by media, and choosing for ourselves.

I'll reiterate, people who let the media and people around them choose for them are the ones who let crap like this influence them. Other people, like myself, choose the things they like and don't like for themselves and not based on the opinions of others.

Edit: I'll defend my point on statistics til the end. 1 million people can't speak for 6 billion, period.

 

[GrimWhim]

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I was merely stating that his response was false and completely wrong in my mind. And I wasn't directing any negativity towards you either. Calling you close-minded is just an observation as you would rather believe something untrue instead of considering the posibility that I could be right. After all, my standpoint is based on the views of educated people that I agree with. Yours seem to be your own twisted views which I think are incorrect and sometimes even prejudice. In no way was I insulting you or White. On the other hand, you are openly insulting me and my ideas., as well as other peoples.

The only close-minded person here is you and the more you post the more that shines through.

You mean this post where I used what you said but against you?

Prejudice? LOL! Oh good lord. You're so... oh man, it sucks that I have to refrain myself from saying it.

I'm not even going to try to respond to these anymore. I was trying to explain things in a nice way but you're still doing your best to provoke me into saying something I know I'll regret.

 

[killerequinox]

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You mean this post where I used what you said but against you?

Prejudice? LOL! Oh good lord. You're so... oh man, it sucks that I have to refrain myself from saying it.

I'm not even going to try to respond to these anymore. I was trying to explain things in a nice way but you're still doing your best to provoke me into saying something I know I'll regret

Apparently you're forgetting things, Grim. I'll quote you "Hell, they didn't invent jewelry boxes for no reason. They know that women like shiny things and will need a place to store them." Along with your other remarks about all girls being materialistic. I'm sure you have other horrible ideas about women and other races, but let's not get into that.

Video games, movies, shows, everything we do, our hobbies and activities all affect us. They make up who we are. Video games are a form of media, and as such influence the other types of media we'll look into. But that is by no means a good reason to say they cause kids to shoot up their school.

This has already been said many times. I don't think any of us believes that a game can cause people shoot up their school.