Creationism

[Angel]

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Big Bang Theory. Terrible show.

 

[D3m190d]

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I wonder how old creationists think the universe is... Since I remembered they seems to believe the earth was created in seven days, is it not reasonable God also took seven days to create each other planet in existence? If so, I did some research on it...

Apparently, out average galaxy has about 1,4*10^9 planets. Furthermore, there are apparently billions of galaxies known. Billions = multiple times one billion. This means means we can say there are at least two billion galaxies, so as for planets, there are: (1,4*10^9)*(2*10^9)=2,8*10^18 planets. Now, if each planet took about seven days to complete (Gas planets are simpler in structure, but then again, MUCH larger), we get:
2,8*10^18 / 365 = 7.7*10^15 years. Obviously, this way the universe would be even older, than according to the Big Bang Theory. How are creationists going to say this is all a young place, when they are actually supposed to believe it's much older than it really is?

=|

Yeah, perhaps this is flawed. But, I did it within minutes time, so I couldn't get into much detail...

*Ah, ninja'd. And I love that show. But hey, that's just my opinion.

EDIT: Hmm, wait. I get the feeling I made a mistake... Should I have divided by 365, or 7? Oh well, it's even in the favor of creationists, now.

 

[Zjuggernaut]

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& to two: No I said I wanted to kill the extremists and radicals - aka the ones who kill "infidels" or in other words terrorists, not normal regular day muslims - don't mix it up please.

You told me you'd drop bombs on the Middle East if you could...

There's a difference between having an opinion and just generally being stupid. If he thinks the world is only 12,000 years old then let him be a dumb ass.

Oh, and there is no solid proof that evolution is real.

 

[Rat]

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I wonder how old creationists think the universe is... Since I remembered they seems to believe the earth was created in seven days, is it not reasonable God also took seven days to create each other planet in existence? If so, I did some research on it...

Apparently, out average galaxy has about 1,4*10^9 planets. Furthermore, there are apparently billions of galaxies known. Billions = multiple times one billion. This means means we can say there are at least two billion galaxies, so as for planets, there are: (1,4*10^9)*(2*10^9)=2,8*10^18 planets. Now, if each planet took about seven days to complete (Gas planets are simpler in structure, but then again, MUCH larger), we get:
2,8*10^18 / 365 = 7.7*10^15 years. Obviously, this way the universe would be even older, than according to the Big Bang Theory. How are creationists going to say this is all a young place, when they are actually supposed to believe it's much older than it really is?

=|

Yeah, perhaps this is flawed. But, I did it within minutes time, so I couldn't get into much detail...

*Ah, ninja'd. And I love that show. But hey, that's just my opinion.

EDIT: Hmm, wait. I get the feeling I made a mistake... Should I have divided by 365, or 7? Oh well, it's even in the favor of creationists, now.

They don't really like to talk about how old the universe is. I know they believe the earth is somewhere between 5,000 and 7,000 years old. If you mention carbon dating they literally go into cardiac arrest.

Oh, and there is no solid proof that evolution is real.

........ Yes there is. There's a lot.

 

[Zjuggernaut]

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........ Yes there is. There's a lot.

There's also proof that it doesn't.

Me and my sister were watching a documentary and they found human skulls where they also found our pre-evolution species' skulls, showing that we either were created or that we came from other animals.

That's the basics of it anyway. It was a lot more detailed.

 

[Rat]

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There's also proof that it doesn't.

Me and my sister were watching a documentary and they found human skulls where they also found our pre-evolution species' skulls, showing that we either were created or that we came from other animals.

That's the basics of it anyway. It was a lot more detailed.

Aw, here it goes.

There can't be proof for something and proof against. That's like saying... "I can spit, therefore I am. But I can also swallow spit, basically the reverse. So there's proof that I don't exist, too."

We see evolution even today in certain animals [reptiles, mostly, I think, don't quote me on that], and how about chromosome #2?

(\/ Chromosome #2 info just in case anyone wants it)
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What about the transitional fossils in the fossil record? Also, there's nothing to suggest that we were created as we are, rather than made over billions of years by evolution.

What I can't understand is why couldn't a god who could create the universe create evolution? Of course, there's no bible in the world that says "and on the first day, God made logic. Then science and reason. Then evolution. Just to **** with scientists."

 

[Zjuggernaut]

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What I can't understand is why couldn't a god who could create the universe create evolution? Of course, there's no bible in the world that says "and on the first day, God made logic. Then science and reason. Then evolution. Just to **** with scientists."

Which i've mentioned before. I've kind of stopped caring about God, Evolution, Science, etc.

FYI: I believe in evolution.

 

[Purple Nurple]

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........ Yes there is. There's a lot.

No there isn't. Evolution is still a theory, and as such there are many things suggesting it (and it is widely accepted as truth) but it's still unproven completely.

 

[Rat]

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Evolution is still a theory,

*facepalm*

FYI: I believe in evolution.

That's cool. It's just fun to talk about this stuff. Say, does anyone like House?

 

[Purple Nurple]

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*facepalm*

So once again you bring nothing to the discussion. Christ you're immature.

 

[TRA Rotid]

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That's cool. It's just fun to talk about this stuff.

Not when people don't accept when someone doesn't believe in it.

 

[Skotekal]

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Ummm... That video kinda showed some evidence, did it not?

Just because something is a theory doesn't mean there is no evidence. The Continental Drift theory, for example. TONS of evidence towards that, but it is still only a theory.

 

[Necromancer]

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Im driunk i dont cate care

+rep

Big Bang Theory. Terrible show.

I will find you and I will kill you.

I :heart: Bazinga

 

[Rat]

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So once again you bring nothing to the discussion. Christ you're immature.

Look up the scientific definition of the word 'theory.'

Christ, you're a moron. See, I can sling lame insults for no reason, too. Now, I retract that insult because I'm a decent human being--well not decent but I'm not evil. Well, I mean. Well, let's not go there.

 

[Noctus]

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When you're older you'll understand - what sounds more appealing: When you die, nothing happens or you go to heaven?

I guess they tune out the whole "hell" thing, then...

 

[Arseface]

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"that's just a theory"

And creationism isn't? Only difference is that The Big Bang Theory and Evolution actually has scientific evidence to back it up.

Creationism, if you want to use sciency terms, is a hypothesis. It's a plausible conclusion, but without any evidence to support it. Evolution is a theory, because it's a plausible conclusion, with evidence. And lots of it, I might add.

Oh, and there is no solid proof that evolution is real.

Yes. Yes there is. I'll tell you the same thing I told Sean.

You know how they've proven evolution? They found these fossils of a long extinct animal called the Pakicetus, which lived around 55 million years ago, which is ages before whales and dolphins appear in the fossil record. Looks sort of like a cross between a fox and a ferrett. It's got exactly the same ear-bone structure as whales and dolphins. No other animal is known to have it. They thought that was pretty peculiar, so they kept looking.

Then, in the same area, they found these other fossils of a similar, but different animal: the Ambulocetus. It's got the same ear structure, but it's body better adapted to swimming than walking, but it was still a mammal, so they suspect that, like a crocodile, it lived on land, but hunted in lakes and rivers. They've dated these guys as having appeared after the Pakicetus became extinct, and before whales appear, about 49 million years ago.

Then, in the same area again, they found these other fossiles, of Rodhocetus, which had the same ear bone structure, but was much more suited to life in the water, it still slept and gave birth on land, but they spend most of their time in the water. They appeared 47 million years ago, after the Ambulocetus dissappears from the fossil record.

Then, at about 40 million years ago, the Basilosaurus appears in the fossil record. This one was completely marine, and it couldn't walk on land at all, but it had small, vestigial hind legs. Why would it have legs if it couln't walk on land at all? It had exactly the same ear structure as modern whales and the previous fossils.

It's not long after that that you get modern whales in the fossil record. This is just one example out of literally hundreds. How can you deny evolution when there is solid evidence like this floating around?

Eventually these mammals evolved into our whales and dolphins, and it explains rather well why they breathe air, despite being 100% sea dwelling animals, why their fin bones have finger like bones, and why they have leg bones and a pelvis despite having absolutely no use for them.

Spoiler

Whale fin

Whale legs

And please bear in mind that when I talk about "an" animal, I'm referring to the entire species.

There's also proof that it doesn't.

Me and my sister were watching a documentary and they found human skulls where they also found our pre-evolution species' skulls, showing that we either were created or that we came from other animals.

That's the basics of it anyway. It was a lot more detailed.

That's because Homo Sapiens co-existed with other species in the Homo genus. Now they're all extinct, and we're the only surviving Homo.

No there isn't. Evolution is still a theory, and as such there are many things suggesting it (and it is widely accepted as truth) but it's still unproven completely.

*sigh* The term theory means it has evidence supporting it. It's the most credible term to use, barring law, but you don't generally get them outside the fields of physics or chemistry.

Even if you say, well, it's only a theory, why would you believe a theory, with truckloads of evidence, over a hypothesis, with literally nothing supporting it?

 

[Tsuyu]

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A "scientific theory" is a completely different thing than something that is "in theory" or "a theory".

Just FYI.

 

[Aions]

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I guess they tune out the whole "hell" thing, then...

they also pick and choose with witch in the bible are 'fact' ie: noahs flood *sigh*

 

[Rat]

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they also pick and choose with witch in the bible are 'fact' ie: noahs flood *sigh*

That's not so bad. I'd ignore that or be sucked into the big joke when that guy claimed to have found the ark. The thing that annoys me is when they ignore things like "stone unruly children," "women that have been raped must marry their rapist to punish him," "God, in his own words, is a jealous, angry God." "Kill an entire town if one person in it is a non-believer/sinner/whatever."

 

[TRA Rotid]

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Better read this thread here, because it seems we're going to have the exact same discussion again.