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Firis said:
Possibly a more accurate term would be criticism or critique?
I consider myself a critic, so when I review something that is subjective, I call it a critique, however a review is fully capable of being opinionated, and in fact it has to, it is extremely hard to hing an objective review on anything.
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if a review were opinion, then why would certain people be paid to give their opinion on a movie so others could read it? that doesn't make any sense. that definitively means that one persons opinion on something is more valuable than anothers (i.e. you).

the only factors that are opinion have nothing to do with movie genre. if i were to review the notebook, which i hate, it would get a much better rating than what i think it deserves. an action lover would look at the review and think "yuck, this looks boring and stupid" based on the genre, with no help from the reviewer. that's what being a reviewer is, people don't give a damn about your opinion, they want the facts so they can draw their own conclusions.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
if a review were opinion, then why would certain people be paid to give their opinion on a movie so others could read it? that doesn't make any sense. that definitively means that one persons opinion on something is more valuable than anothers (i.e. you).

the only factors that are opinion have nothing to do with movie genre. if i were to review the notebook, which i hate, it would get a much better rating than what i think it deserves. an action lover would look at the review and think "yuck, this looks boring and stupid" based on the genre, with no help from the reviewer. that's what being a reviewer is, people don't give a damn about your opinion, they want the facts so they can draw their own conclusions.
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I get what you mean, but name one reviewer who gives an objective factual review that I can agree with.
That is the key: Can I agree with it? If he says 'The special effects were amazing" I can say they looked cartoonish, which one of us is right?
 
Firis said:
I get what you mean, but name one reviewer who gives an objective factual review that I can agree with.
That is the key: Can I agree with it? If he says 'The special effects were amazing" I can say they looked cartoonish, which one of us is right?
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that's subjective. maybe they were amazing, maybe they cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but they just aren't your style. that's no fault of the reviewer, that's individual taste.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/movies/18avatar.html
this review was very well made. it's objective, and you get a feel for what you will be getting yourself into if you watch avatar.
did the reviewer enjoy it? probably, but it isn't in the review.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
oh, really?




so then by your logic a review is inherently impossible?
yes, being objective is impossible. but a review at least attempts to be objective. this does not.

an opinionated review is useless because everyone likes different things. a review can tell you black and white how good the various elements were and whether they came together as intended.
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If a movie critic says that a movie was bad, that's still only his opinion, no matter how he explains it.It can't objectively tell you "black and white" how "good" the various elements were because that would just be someone's opinion of how good those elements were.
 
Arseface said:
If a movie critic says that a movie was bad, that's still only his opinion, no matter how he explains it.It can't objectively tell you "black and white" how "good" the various elements were because that would just be someone's opinion of how good those elements were.
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then justifiably tell me how someone could call the room better than pi.

there are definitive standards of quality. not everything is purely opinion, there's a line that's crossed where an opinion becomes ignorant stupidity... or a cult classic, which the room is.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
then justifiably tell me how someone could call the room better than pi.
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Wut?

cheezMcNASTY said:
there are definitive standards of quality. not everything is purely opinion, there's a line that's crossed where an opinion becomes ignorant stupidity... or a cult classic, which the room is.
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Standards of quality, which are set by a consensus of the various opinions around the place.

Something isn't good, just because it's good. It's good because someone thinks it's good.
 
Arseface said:
If they like the room more than pi, then it's perfectly justifiable
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there's nothing wrong with them liking it that way, but my point is that pi is a better movie in every sense, while being just as independent and low budget. acting, directing, script, editing. it is black and white a better movie, and there is no justifiable argument that the room is a better movie. someone could like it better sure, that's their opinion. but if both were being reviewed, it would come out on bottom 100% of the time.
 
cheezMcNASTY said:
there's nothing wrong with them liking it that way, but my point is that pi is a better movie in every sense, while being just as independent and low budget. acting, directing, script, editing. it is black and white a better movie, and there is no justifiable argument that the room is a better movie. someone could like it better sure, that's their opinion. but if both were being reviewed, it would come out on bottom 100% of the time.
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Not if someone liked the acting, directing, script or editing of The Room more than they did Pi.
 
Arseface said:
Not if someone liked the acting, directing, script or editing of The Room more than they did Pi.
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I do agree with Arseface here. Someone might like bad acting, because they can laugh at it. Also, a bad or good script is once again your opinion. What you call Pi's better script than tat of The Room, may be the opposite for someone else... not?
 
Skotekal said:
Even if someone does like bad acting, the acting is still bad, and bad is not better than good. :P
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But maybe it makes the movie good, as a whole...? :P I mean, maybe sometimes, bad acting is more required than good acting, to make the movie better, because it makes it more fun. Maybe, if it was godo acting, it would be too serious... or... something. Well, I'm just saying stuff. 'Dunno if you agree. ^_^
 
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